[gentoo-amd64] Re: Systemd without migration

[Duncan]

mr_L4N posted on Mon, 23 Nov 2015 22:48:27 +0100 as excerpted:

> Hi, i'm trying to install systemd on a new installation, without openrc.
>
> Is it possible to do? There's some guide on the net?
>
> I having many problem with correct boot, and network.

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The handbook has this to say as step 19 (wrapped link, but it's quoted in 
full below anyway):

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Full/
Installation#Optional:_Using_systemd


>>> Optional: Using systemd
>>>
>>> The remainder of the Gentoo Handbook focuses on OpenRC as the default
>>> init support system. If systemd is wanted instead, or you are
>>> planning to use Gnome 3.8 and later (which requires systemd), please
>>> consult the systemd page as it elaborates on the different
>>> configuration settings and methods.
>>>
>>> The Gentoo handbook can then be followed with that page in mind.

Where it says consult the systemd page, "systemd" is a link:

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Systemd


So it's possible, and there's general documentation, tho (beyond that 
step 19) it's not exactly the step-by-step guide that the handbook 
installation is for openrc -- you need to read both the systemd and 
handbook pages and take into account the parts of the handbook that 
systemd changes as you proceed from there.

But since gnome needs systemd now, it's likely there are plenty of users 
following the systemd installation path now, which means that while it's 
arguably not quite as simple as the openrc installation path, it should 
be reasonably well debugged, with serious errors long since gone and most 
common pitfalls well enough flagged to steer clear of. =:^)

Tho since the stage3s include openrc, in some ways you're still upgrading 
from that.  But you don't have to actually build it; you can upgrade 
directly from the prebuilt stage-tarball openrc to systemd.  At some 
point there will likely be a systemd stage3 tarball, at least for common 
archs such as amd64, but it doesn't appear to be an available option yet, 
at least not an official one (there's very possibly someone somewhere 
with a systemd-based stage3 they built themselves).

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