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From: "Canek Peláez Valdés" <caneko@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-amd64@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Boycott Systemd
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 06:31:55
Message-Id: CADPrc829Hgi9HHuW62BXFmVbjEDpU+QWEcVpPnT7uX9zy9=oTw@mail.gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Boycott Systemd by Frank Peters
1 On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 12:49 AM, Frank Peters <frank.peters@×××××××.net> wrote:
2 > On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 23:48:46 -0500
3 > Canek Peláez Valdés <caneko@×××××.com> wrote:
4 >
5 >>
6 >> I just said that this thread has *seriously* lacked on technical
7 >> arguments. I haven't made almost any technical argument, because
8 >> basically all the discussion has been around conspiracy theories
9 >> ...
10 >> *You* call *that* "a reasonable discussion of technical issues"?
11 >>
12 >
13 > Any *good* programmer realizes that programming is not at all
14 > about writing code. The foremost tasks of a good programmer
15 > are problem analysis, planning, and understanding both the overall
16 > scheme and ramifications of any proposed solution. Once these
17 > tasks are accomplished the actual coding, which is a relatively
18 > trivial matter, can begin.
19
20 http://0pointer.net/blog/projects/systemd.html
21
22 You may not agree with the points presented there, but there was
23 *ample* "analysis, planning, and understanding of the overall scheme
24 and ramifications" of the "proposed solution" (systemd in this case)
25 before a single line of core was written.
26
27 And then they also wrote the code.
28
29 > Therefore it is not unreasonable or unproductive to approach
30 > the systemd issue from a political or philosophical perspective.
31
32 I will just answer: code talks.
33
34 > But having said that, I will admit that this thread has served
35 > its purpose for me. My concerns about systemd have been addressed
36 > and my fears have been calmed by the responses. I want to thank
37 > all those who participated.
38
39 You are welcome.
40
41 > However, I do remain cautiously optimistic. Anyone who understands
42 > the human world knows all too well that idealistic causes do not
43 > persist for long. I am sometimes surprised at the longevity of
44 > Linux as a free and open project, but I realize that in time it too shall
45 > succumb to the social forces that have destroyed similar endeavors.
46 > I can only hope that the time will be long in coming.
47
48 Again, code talks. And Linux is not idealistic at all; I believe Linus
49 and his lieutenants would laugh at the notion that it is.
50
51 Linux is a technological triumph, created, maintained and evolved by
52 highly technically qualified people. Idealism had nothing to do with
53 it; contrary to GNU/Hurd, the GPL-2 license was chosen because it was
54 the best choice for technical reasons (highly collaborative project
55 over the Internet). And because idealism has nothing to do with it, it
56 didn't switched over to GPL-3.
57
58 Regards.
59 --
60 Canek Peláez Valdés
61 Profesor de asignatura, Facultad de Ciencias
62 Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México