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On Thursday 13 November 2008, Duncan wrote: |
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> "Mark Haney" <mhaney@××××××××××××.org> posted |
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> 491B3FF7.7030602@××××××××××××.org, excerpted below, on Wed, 12 Nov 2008 |
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> 15:43:35 -0500: |
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> > jevezze@××××××××××××.com wrote: |
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> >> I allready took everything out of my kernel but is there a big |
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> >> difference with modules or buildin's ? And X allready starts at boot. |
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> >> And why shouldn't I use genkernel? |
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> > I don't know about moving X, but this is a thread I thought about |
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> > starting yesterday so this is very timely. I'll look at X to see how |
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> > things are affected. |
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> I'd suggest /not/ putting X in the boot runlevel, unless you're one of |
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> the "It's not booted until I have a nice pretty GUI with a pointer to |
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> click stuff because I don't know how to use the command line" folks, and |
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> on Gentoo at least, those folks should be comparatively rare, since |
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> Gentoo never has been and is not now designed for folks who aren't |
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> willing to be their own admins, including those scared of the command |
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> line. There's other distributions that are a better fit for people who |
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> prefer to let someone else do the command line and admin stuff. |
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there are people who know how to use a commandline and STILL want X. In fact |
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out of 100 boots I want X 99 times - and I guess most people want X too. So |
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just because you 'think' gentoo users don't like X, does not make it true at |
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all. |
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> Here, even tho I'm on an always-on Internet connection, I boot to |
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> initlevel 2, nonetwork, and without X as well. I start all services |
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> (including named and privoxy, which are normally of use only when the |
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> net's up, but don't require it; they start fast enough) except ntp/ntp- |
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> client and the network they depend on. This way, if I'm just doing local |
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> admin work, say backups, or doing a git-bisect/build/install/reboot cycle |
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> while debugging a kernel regression, I get a faster boot, and don't end |
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> up constantly connecting to the NTP servers I sync to, every time I |
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> reboot. |
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and for most people such a runlevel would be very, very useless. Add to that |
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that after a boot you have to log in as root and then switch to the right boot |
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level - another 20seconds lost. |
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*snip the rest because it is too long to read and usual duncan talk*. |
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a) yes we know you have great hardware |
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b) the topic was 'how to boot faster' and not 'how to make everything suck the |
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duncan way'. |
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Why fiddle around with breaky scripts, if kdm, gdm, whatever can do that for |
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you? In a proven and stable way? |
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And why booting into a useless runlevel (and a runlevel without network is |
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useless, for doing root stuff - except everything is broken) and then start |
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all the stuff you need manually? Sounds really, really stupid. |
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c) putting X in boot is something even gentoo devs do. So not only stupid |
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users are 'infected' with that meme |
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d) command line and X are not exclusive. In fact - konsole beats the shit out |
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io vts in every aspect. And I can have a lot more konsole sessions then vt's. |
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