Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Big, ugly qt blockage

[Mark Knecht]

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 7:01 AM, Duncan<1i5t5.duncan@×××.net> wrote:
> Mark Knecht <markknecht@×××××.com> posted
> 5bdc1c8b0906100550w9fc59a0g64f0244abc1ee74c@××××××××××.com, excerpted
> below, on  Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:50:24 -0700:
>
>> I think the real problem I'm facing in the future is that emerge -e
>> @system is building FAR too many things that shouldn't be part of
>> @system. Nearly half the packages on this computer (339 out of 815) are
>> getting pulled in as part of the 'system'. I don't believe it's every
>> been this high. I have recollections that this used to be sub-100
>> packages.
>>
>> @system is pulling in cups, parts of Gnome, hplip, qt, and pretty much
>> all of X11.
>>
>> What are others seeing?
>>
>> I suspect that none of that is required to allow my computer to boot. It
>> seems to be some sort of use flag inflation - some packages tells me
>> that I need a flag somewhere, and that somewhere is part of @system, and
>> suddenly @system is pulling in hundreds of packages.
>
> FWIW, here, emerge -pve @system returns 149 packages.  emerge -pve @world
> (which does NOT include @system in my config, newer portage without
> @system in @world, tho of course there's some overlap due to @world
> packages depending on stuff pulled in by @system as well), returns 864
> packages.  Both in a single merge returns 893 packages.
>
> So I'm definitely not seeing the @system inflation you're seeing, tho 149
> is I do believe a bit higher than it used to be.  But it's nowhere near
> the 339 you're seeing.
>
> @world includes all of the KDE I use (individually merged, not the
> meta-packages as I don't have/need/want some of the stuff from the
> meta-packages merged), both the 3.5.10 and 4.2.4 versions, and gtk+ for
> pan and a couple other packages, but NOT GNOME.  Similarly, I do NOT have
> the xorg-x11 meta-package merged. I'm running ~amd64 and portage-2.2_rc33.
>
> FWIW, I see many x11-libs and x11-proto packages being pulled in by
> @system, but not xorg-server itself.  The other big set of "not exactly
> system" packages that are being pulled in for @system are a bunch of app-
> text/docbook-* stuff, presumably for documentation, manpages and the
> like, tho I have USE=-doc so it shouldn't be pulling it "extra"
> documentation like programming and API docs.
>
> I have cups in @world, but it's not being pulled into @system, neither is
> qt, either v3 or v4, tho again, both are pulled in by @world as
> dependencies of kde:3.5 and :4.2.
>
> So it's definitely not happening to everyone.  I'd post my USE flags if I
> thought it'd do any good, but chances are, you'd be better off getting
> someone with a system closer to yours, gnome, no kde if you don't have it
> merged, presumably stable not ~arch, and compare from there.  Mine's
> different enough from yours that it'd be a lot of needless extra work to
> pin it down, if you can get someone with an installation rather closer to
> yours.
>
> --
> Duncan - List replies preferred.   No HTML msgs.
> "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
> and if you use the program, he is your master."  Richard Stallman
>

I'll post them later today. The machine runs Windows until 1:30PST
when the futures market closes and I can do my daily backup, then
switches into Gentoo for the afternoon and evening.

Thanks,
Mark