Gentoo Archives: gentoo-catalyst

From: Matt Turner <mattst88@g.o>
To: gentoo-catalyst@l.g.o
Cc: zerochaos@g.o, Sebastian Pipping <sping@g.o>, "Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto" <jmbsvicetto@×××××.com>
Subject: [gentoo-catalyst] On catalyst's development process
Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2012 09:02:57
Message-Id: CAEdQ38ELLn7cxdhYD89gztXDdm1ax225uxeV53KgxO7FC+6UKA@mail.gmail.com
1 Zero_Chaos and I had a discussion on IRC about catalyst's development
2 model. Part of the discussion was whether proposed changes should go
3 to the mailing list for review or if the current IRC+pastebin-based
4 review was sufficient. As a proponent of a mailing-list-based model, I
5 thought it best to attempt to continue the discussion on the mailing
6 list itself.
7
8 Since Andrew Gaffney stopped catalyst development in early 2010
9 catalyst has seen only small developments. Jorge has been mostly
10 single-handedly keeping catalyst going by supplying patches and bug
11 fixes.
12
13 Without many active developers (catalyst works okay, why change it,
14 right?) it's been hard to get others to do patch review and easy to
15 miss a tiny problem in your own code. For instance, I made a mistake
16 in commit c3db9351 (fix: 793079a0) that would have probably caused
17 mips/o32 stages to fail to build. Other problems have slipped through
18 as well: Zero Chaos was forced to revert three commits in order to
19 release a version of catalyst (2.0.12.1) that actually worked. At
20 least twice in the last 50 commits, changes have been made that
21 contained a syntax error that simply would have prevented catalyst
22 from working. Both times they've been fixed promptly and probably
23 didn't cause anyone any harm, but:
24
25 I think this leads to the question of how well our development model is working.
26
27 As it currently is patches are committed ad-hoc, recently with at
28 least some review in the form of giving a reviewer a pastebin link on
29 IRC. I find this model tedious and lends itself to rapid-fire question
30 and answer debate about a proposed change, partly due to the medium,
31 partly due to pastebin'd patches having a significantly lesser chance
32 of containing a meaningful commit summary.
33
34 I claim that if patches were sent to the mailing list they would
35 receive better review from a larger reviewer base and the committed
36 results would contain fewer errors. The process of git
37 format-patch/send-email forces the author to at least look at the
38 patch before committing, and reviewers are likely to give a better
39 review to something they find on a mailing list than in IRC. At least
40 personally, I find that I'm much more likely to forget about something
41 asked of me on IRC than via email.
42
43 Patch review isn't about a power structure. It's about maintaining
44 quality and catching mistakes before they could affect anyone.
45
46 git is also not a review tool. Once it's in git, it's history, and I
47 don't like my mistakes being part of historical record. :)
48
49 Other projects handle review in different ways. The kernel and X.org
50 for instance require that a patch have at least one Reviewed-by tag,
51 stating that a third-party checked over the patch and found it
52 appropriate. Chrome, I think, and other Google projects use a
53 web-based review tool called gerrit. Either of these would be large
54 improvements, with the mailing list system having lower cost and
55 probably the same effectiveness.
56
57 See http://www.x.org/wiki/Development/Documentation/SubmittingPatches
58 for a description of the process.

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Re: [gentoo-catalyst] On catalyst's development process Peter Stuge <peter@×××××.se>