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[Matthew Summers (quantumsummers)]

quantumsummers    09/06/22 13:18:14

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(06/14/2009 02:00:49 PM) ***NeddySeagoon calls the meeting to order.
(06/14/2009 02:00:53 PM) NeddySeagoon: Roll call
(06/14/2009 02:00:58 PM) tsunam_: here
(06/14/2009 02:00:59 PM) fmccor: Here.
(06/14/2009 02:01:15 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, robbat2 ?
(06/14/2009 02:01:36 PM) robbat2: i'm here
(06/14/2009 02:02:06 PM) NeddySeagoon: We have a quaram ... lets skip Agenda
item 1. We all know one another.
(06/14/2009 02:02:10 PM) NeddySeagoon: Item 2 Actions From the Last Meeting 
(06/14/2009 02:02:42 PM) NeddySeagoon: skipping quantumsummers stuff ...  we can
come back to it if he shows up
(06/14/2009 02:02:51 PM) NeddySeagoon: Treasurers Report for FY ending 30 June
2008   thats last year 
(06/14/2009 02:02:57 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam_, ^^
(06/14/2009 02:03:16 PM) ***quantumsummers|Corsair is here, sorry I'm late ... I
gotta unload the car real quick
(06/14/2009 02:03:18 PM) tsunam_: Fiscal year isn't up yet
(06/14/2009 02:03:29 PM) tsunam_: so I can't give a report on our fiscal year
end totals yet ^_^
(06/14/2009 02:03:35 PM) robbat2: ending 2008, not 09
(06/14/2009 02:03:38 PM) fmccor: Ends July !?
(06/14/2009 02:03:39 PM) tsunam_: oh
(06/14/2009 02:03:43 PM) tsunam_: sorry
(06/14/2009 02:03:44 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam_, thats for fiscal year ending
June 2008 not 2009
(06/14/2009 02:03:50 PM) tsunam_: my bad
(06/14/2009 02:04:02 PM) NeddySeagoon: you were haveing paypal issues
(06/14/2009 02:04:39 PM) tsunam_: I've not finished it yet :( I got all the data
from 2005-2009 so far 
(06/14/2009 02:04:49 PM) tsunam_: I need to review each report we've generated
and confirm everything
(06/14/2009 02:05:00 PM) NeddySeagoon: Will the IRS want it if we get audited ?
(06/14/2009 02:05:09 PM) tsunam_: yes they would
(06/14/2009 02:05:54 PM) NeddySeagoon: So its a 'must do'  and FY 09 ends in two
weeks.   so we will have another report to do.  
(06/14/2009 02:06:01 PM) tsunam_: I'd also liketo be able to with absolute
certainty say that the reports are accurate (pending ing finalizing)
(06/14/2009 02:06:04 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam_, do you have the time to do it
(06/14/2009 02:06:11 PM) tsunam_: yes I will get it done
(06/14/2009 02:06:11 PM) robbat2: tsunam_, what help do you need from me on
those?
(06/14/2009 02:06:26 PM) robbat2: since I noted the needed corrections to the
previous ones
(06/14/2009 02:06:27 PM) tsunam_: robbat2: review things when I finish them
(06/14/2009 02:06:28 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: we can talk to the cpa as well
(06/14/2009 02:06:48 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I'll need to pass them along to
her anyway
(06/14/2009 02:06:52 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, we will come back to your
stuff
(06/14/2009 02:07:06 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok
(06/14/2009 02:07:22 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam_, now you have all the info ...
give us a date to complete 2008 
(06/14/2009 02:07:49 PM) tsunam_: NeddySeagoon: I'll have it done within the
next 2 weeks
(06/14/2009 02:07:55 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok
(06/14/2009 02:08:19 PM) NeddySeagoon: and 2009 for the Aug meeting ?   thats 6
weeks after the FY end ?
(06/14/2009 02:08:38 PM) tsunam_: *nods*
(06/14/2009 02:09:09 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam_, thats FY 2008 to robbat2 for
review in two weeks and presented to the meeting in July ?
(06/14/2009 02:09:19 PM) tsunam_: yep
(06/14/2009 02:09:25 PM) NeddySeagoon: Fine.
(06/14/2009 02:09:52 PM) NeddySeagoon: back to  Certified Public Accountant -
quantumsummers
(06/14/2009 02:10:35 PM) NeddySeagoon: Hmm - must still be unloading his car
(06/14/2009 02:10:38 PM) NeddySeagoon: Trustees and Foundation Article For the
News Feed (was GMN)
(06/14/2009 02:10:43 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: hey there, so tsunam_ I'm gonna
need all that financial data to complete the f1023 for for 501c3, I will go
thru the data + reports with the CPA when I get it
(06/14/2009 02:11:05 PM) NeddySeagoon: I'll admit to slacking on this one. I
have a link from fmccor 
(06/14/2009 02:11:06 PM) tsunam_: quantumsummers: sure
(06/14/2009 02:11:12 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I'd say I'm about 75% thru the
form otherwise
(06/14/2009 02:11:27 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: can have it to everyone after I
get the fin data
(06/14/2009 02:11:38 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: sorry its taken me more time
than I thought
(06/14/2009 02:11:44 PM) tsunam_: quantumsummers: again right now its just
paypal related. Hopefully next week I should have ing related funds (netbank)
as well as much as I can, which is "this is the total in that account"
(06/14/2009 02:12:04 PM) tsunam_: quantumsummers: I assume you need the
netbank/ing numbers as well?
(06/14/2009 02:12:09 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: righto, nothing fancy id needed
for the cpa, that sounds great
(06/14/2009 02:12:16 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: s/id/is
(06/14/2009 02:12:16 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, yes please ... I'd like
to know what I'm getting into as I'm not familiar with the finer points of US
law 
(06/14/2009 02:12:59 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: NeddySeagoon: I will post it
around, we'll need to vote on it, perhaps via an "emergency" meeting or
whatever (note this is not an emergency)
(06/14/2009 02:13:27 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, I don't want to get
extradited. I like here :)
(06/14/2009 02:13:36 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, Don't need a a meeting to vite,
I think.
(06/14/2009 02:13:49 PM) NeddySeagoon: We can vote in email
(06/14/2009 02:13:51 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: its a huge form & I'm
assembling all the doc in the checklist as well which will include financial
statements
(06/14/2009 02:13:56 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: that'll work
(06/14/2009 02:14:14 PM) fmccor: Yes.
(06/14/2009 02:14:16 PM) NeddySeagoon: As long as we have an audit trail
(06/14/2009 02:14:37 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: sounds like we will
(06/14/2009 02:15:00 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, is that you done for the
CPA or did you just sneak another agenda item in ?
(06/14/2009 02:15:25 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: we have to file the so-called
schedule E since we did ont file for 501c3 in 27 months from incorp
(06/14/2009 02:15:42 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: CPA is assisting me, so it is
relevant
(06/14/2009 02:15:46 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: (to me :D )
(06/14/2009 02:16:02 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok, done I think, unless anyone
has questions
(06/14/2009 02:16:08 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, ok, you want to do the
CPA update
(06/14/2009 02:16:59 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok ... next Send friendly cease and
desist emails to copyright infringers - quantumsummers
(06/14/2009 02:16:59 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: sure, CPA will review
financials for inclusion in f1023 for 501c3 when ready as well as the form
(06/14/2009 02:17:07 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: re C&D
(06/14/2009 02:17:09 PM) NeddySeagoon: sorry
(06/14/2009 02:17:14 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: its ok, that was it
(06/14/2009 02:17:36 PM) NeddySeagoon: next Send friendly cease and desist
emails to copyright infringers - quantumsummers
(06/14/2009 02:17:37 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: so, I wrote all this code to
make it easy to email the individual IP infringers
(06/14/2009 02:17:51 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: then I set about gathering
email addys from cafepress, 
(06/14/2009 02:17:55 PM) NeddySeagoon: did you test it :)
(06/14/2009 02:17:57 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: they do not display them
(06/14/2009 02:18:18 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I found a procedure for IP
infringement 
(06/14/2009 02:18:37 PM) NeddySeagoon: take it up with cafepress directly. 
explain we want to be friendly
(06/14/2009 02:18:43 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: so I have emailed the people at
cafepress regarding a long list of every item that I could find that infringes
(06/14/2009 02:18:46 PM) robbat2: brb, cat emergency
(06/14/2009 02:19:04 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: thus its "in the pipe"
(06/14/2009 02:19:19 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: heard back & they are "looking
into the matter"
(06/14/2009 02:19:40 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: nothing since, its been a week
or so, if I do not hear from them on Monday I will email again
(06/14/2009 02:19:51 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok.  No need to stay on cafepress .... 
IP applies everywhere in the USA for us anyway
(06/14/2009 02:20:24 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: well right, but tracking all
that down is no easy task. cafe press is a good place to start, it seems.
(06/14/2009 02:20:24 PM) NeddySeagoon: Sounds good. We can continue this next
meeting now its moving
(06/14/2009 02:20:37 PM) fmccor: robbat2, Cats take precedent over almost
ererything else (except for my pythons, of course.)
(06/14/2009 02:20:53 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok, I will report on said
action at that point, unless something demands the boards attention
(06/14/2009 02:20:59 PM) NeddySeagoon: yep.  I was wondering if we should keep
an eye on Europe too as the e.V. is not very active
(06/14/2009 02:21:18 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: that is a good question, we
need to get that situation buttoned up
(06/14/2009 02:21:47 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: since we do not own the TM in
EU, it might prove difficult to operate as protectors
(06/14/2009 02:21:53 PM) ***fmccor thinks e.V., actice or not, is a plus for us.
(06/14/2009 02:22:00 PM) NeddySeagoon: We can keep an eye on whats happening but
we cannot enforce a copyright we don't own
(06/14/2009 02:22:15 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: unless they appoint us as proxy
for their board
(06/14/2009 02:22:18 PM) NeddySeagoon: We can poke the e.V. though
(06/14/2009 02:22:40 PM) NeddySeagoon: that works too
(06/14/2009 02:23:03 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, I think we metioned that once,
or perhaps I only dreamed it?
(06/14/2009 02:23:03 PM) NeddySeagoon: Your last one quantumsummers 
(06/14/2009 02:23:08 PM) NeddySeagoon: Foundation Knowledge Management Needs -
quantumsummers
(06/14/2009 02:23:42 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: re KM: I have all the initial
functionality in place, finishing theming atm
(06/14/2009 02:24:06 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I will host it on my infra, so
it will be easy for me to debug if any issues occur
(06/14/2009 02:24:19 PM) NeddySeagoon: progress ... that what was needed.  Ok
wrt hosting
(06/14/2009 02:24:41 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok. I can get you guys into the
basic iface next week if you want
(06/14/2009 02:25:01 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok.  It will be good to play with
(06/14/2009 02:25:04 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I will then need to write some
custom report modules as we discover new needs
(06/14/2009 02:25:04 PM) robbat2: back. cat made an escape attempt
(06/14/2009 02:25:17 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I can haz FREEDOM!?!
(06/14/2009 02:25:31 PM) ***quantumsummers|Corsair has 2 cats
(06/14/2009 02:25:46 PM) NeddySeagoon: cat ok robbat2 
(06/14/2009 02:25:52 PM) robbat2: yeah
(06/14/2009 02:26:04 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: very much like garfield &
nermal, though not in appearance
(06/14/2009 02:26:05 PM) ***fmccor has 3 pythons. :)
(06/14/2009 02:26:11 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yikes
(06/14/2009 02:26:21 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ride then snake
(06/14/2009 02:26:22 PM) ***NeddySeagoon has a wife and son
(06/14/2009 02:26:25 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: :)
(06/14/2009 02:26:30 PM) tsunam_: heh
(06/14/2009 02:26:32 PM) ***quantumsummers|Corsair has wife
(06/14/2009 02:26:34 PM) NeddySeagoon: Trustees and Foundation Article For the
News Feed (was GMN)
(06/14/2009 02:26:57 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: robbat2: is that thing public
yet?
(06/14/2009 02:27:00 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, sent me a link ... I failed due
to real life
(06/14/2009 02:27:04 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: new blag that is
(06/14/2009 02:27:14 PM) fmccor: Done, execpt for update following this meeting.
(06/14/2009 02:27:17 PM) robbat2: i'm not sure if nightmorph has launched it
(06/14/2009 02:27:36 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok, I need to send my bio
still. I will do that after the meeting
(06/14/2009 02:27:45 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: or suring, if time permits
(06/14/2009 02:27:53 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: *during
(06/14/2009 02:28:05 PM) NeddySeagoon: robbat2, tsunam_ quantumsummers ... you
going to do something ?
(06/14/2009 02:28:20 PM) robbat2: if I get time, i'll see about a writeup for me
(06/14/2009 02:28:31 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I will, kick me for slacking on
that
(06/14/2009 02:28:41 PM) tsunam_: x2 to robbat2's comment
(06/14/2009 02:29:02 PM) NeddySeagoon: It will be a couple of months before I
get much time.  I have a new job, so I'm winding down the old one ..
(06/14/2009 02:29:41 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam_, you are going to be busy on the
accounts ... that must come first
(06/14/2009 02:29:46 PM) tsunam_: *nods*
(06/14/2009 02:29:55 PM) tsunam_: been busy with that stuff for a while :(
(06/14/2009 02:30:10 PM) fmccor: tsunam_, Your picture says it all. :)
(06/14/2009 02:30:15 PM) NeddySeagoon: yeah.
(06/14/2009 02:30:17 PM) tsunam_: hah
(06/14/2009 02:30:22 PM) NeddySeagoon: 3. Actions From Previous Meetings on hold
for one or more actions above ...
(06/14/2009 02:30:33 PM) NeddySeagoon: Working with Gentoo e.V. - fmccor (On
hold for Feb/Mar Gentoo e.V. meeting)
(06/14/2009 02:30:46 PM) NeddySeagoon: This is holding up all the rest un this
section
(06/14/2009 02:31:10 PM) fmccor: Haven't heard from e.V, and I prefer that they
keei the copywritht.
(06/14/2009 02:31:23 PM) fmccor: ^eei^eep
(06/14/2009 02:31:47 PM) fmccor: ^tht^ght^
(06/14/2009 02:31:57 PM) tsunam_: ...
(06/14/2009 02:32:08 PM) NeddySeagoon: It makes things easier but I don't want
it to die of neglect, like the Foundation almost did
(06/14/2009 02:32:34 PM) fmccor: No, I,m still on it.
(06/14/2009 02:32:45 PM) NeddySeagoon: It will be much more difficult to pick up
the pieces in Germany
(06/14/2009 02:33:35 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, what are you doing and when are
you going to do it by?
(06/14/2009 02:33:49 PM) NeddySeagoon: It must be difficult if the e.V don't
respond
(06/14/2009 02:34:34 PM) fmccor: All I can do is ask dertobi123 for progress.  I
can't give a date bacause it's not in my control.
(06/14/2009 02:35:08 PM) NeddySeagoon: Its not in dertobi123s control either. 
The e.V. board needs to meet
(06/14/2009 02:35:33 PM) fmccor: That's out of my control too.
(06/14/2009 02:35:38 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, do they have bylaws like we do
that can be used to force a meeting ?
(06/14/2009 02:36:15 PM) fmccor: They have bylaws.  I'll have to read them again
to answer that.
(06/14/2009 02:36:49 PM) fmccor: They are a German corporation.
(06/14/2009 02:37:04 PM) NeddySeagoon: I would like to see the e.V survive, but
it needs to be pushed a little 
(06/14/2009 02:37:16 PM) ***dertobi123 sighs
(06/14/2009 02:37:18 PM) NeddySeagoon: I don't read German at all
(06/14/2009 02:37:27 PM) dertobi123: just saw the hilight
(06/14/2009 02:37:46 PM) NeddySeagoon: dertobi123, welcome ... care to say a few
words ?
(06/14/2009 02:37:49 PM) ***fmccor does,  but hasn't looked at them for a while.
(06/14/2009 02:38:24 PM) dertobi123: NeddySeagoon: i sent the mail i promised to
sent out to our members (and board, too), feedback is kinda like zero
(06/14/2009 02:39:10 PM) NeddySeagoon: dertobi123, I guessed that.  I suspect
that he e.V is going through what the Foundation went through
(06/14/2009 02:39:27 PM) dertobi123: NeddySeagoon: yeah :(
(06/14/2009 02:39:37 PM) fmccor: dertobi123, From my point of view, strictly
mine, I'd prefer e.V to keep the trademarks(s) and work wit us.
(06/14/2009 02:39:50 PM) dertobi123: though we're making some (small) progress
on other things
(06/14/2009 02:40:00 PM) NeddySeagoon: dertobi123, do you have any suggestions
about how the Foundation can help the e.V.
(06/14/2009 02:40:00 PM) fmccor: ^wit^witt^
(06/14/2009 02:40:24 PM) fmccor: ^witt^with^ :)
(06/14/2009 02:41:01 PM) dertobi123: NeddySeagoon: not really. we finally need
to hold our general meeting (somewhen after the summer holidays probably) and
elect a new board.
(06/14/2009 02:41:30 PM) tsunam_: dertobi123: which holidays...germany has a
crap ton of them all the time :-P
(06/14/2009 02:41:50 PM) dertobi123: i'm trying to find other people who i
personally think might help as board members, but well ... i'm doing that for
quite some time now and wasn't that successful yet :/
(06/14/2009 02:42:04 PM) NeddySeagoon: dertobi123, can you estimate a month ?  
So we can update our agenda please
(06/14/2009 02:42:18 PM) dertobi123: NeddySeagoon: late september or october
(06/14/2009 02:42:18 PM) fmccor: dertobi123, Is there any way I can participate? 
My German is still functional but not fluent any more.
(06/14/2009 02:42:41 PM) dertobi123: NeddySeagoon: maybe some weeks earlier, but
the main problem isn't the meeting but to find a new board
(06/14/2009 02:43:41 PM) dertobi123: fmccor: we need to find people interested
in keeping the e.v. alive and doing work. not sure if someone from the states
can help with that. but if there's anything you could with i'll contact you
(06/14/2009 02:43:50 PM) NeddySeagoon: dertobi123, ok, we will not discuss the
topic until October then.  Meanwhile, whe have two European orgainations that
have applied to us for licencing. they should have applied to the e.V.  Is
there anything that can be done to help them ? 
(06/14/2009 02:45:01 PM) fmccor: dertobi123, Thank you.
(06/14/2009 02:45:26 PM) dertobi123: NeddySeagoon: fwd their requests please, as
long as they're not doing anything commercial we don't have a problem with
that. if else it needs to be discussed.
(06/14/2009 02:45:56 PM) dertobi123: besides fmccor being in favor of us keeping
the trademark (correct), where do the other ones stand?
(06/14/2009 02:45:57 PM) fmccor: (das ist, Danke.)
(06/14/2009 02:46:03 PM) NeddySeagoon: dertobi123, ok.  I'll forward them to you
and send them an update with whats happening
(06/14/2009 02:46:10 PM) dertobi123: ok
(06/14/2009 02:46:20 PM) NeddySeagoon: dertobi123, thanks for the update
(06/14/2009 02:46:51 PM) dertobi123: i'll mail -core/-project somewhen before
the general meeting, maybe we find some people interested in helping us
(06/14/2009 02:46:54 PM) dertobi123: *shrugs*
(06/14/2009 02:47:07 PM) NeddySeagoon: dertobi123, I would like to see a working
e.V. as it would be good to have seperate orgainisation in Europe and the USA
(06/14/2009 02:47:10 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: bonsaikitten: < might help
(06/14/2009 02:47:25 PM) bonsaikitten: what!
(06/14/2009 02:47:31 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: bonsaikitten: help gentoo ev
(06/14/2009 02:47:53 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I know ya wanna
(06/14/2009 02:47:55 PM) fmccor: dertobi123, I'm interested and will be
avaliable.  And yes, partick is a good choice.
(06/14/2009 02:48:20 PM) fmccor: ^rt^tr^
(06/14/2009 02:48:51 PM) NeddySeagoon: Lets get back to our meeting
(06/14/2009 02:48:53 PM) fmccor: bonsaikitten, sorry to mangle your name.  My
typing is generally bad.
(06/14/2009 02:49:20 PM) NeddySeagoon: # Licencing For emtom.cz - quantumsummers
(On hold for Feb/Mar Gentoo e.V meeting)
(06/14/2009 02:49:20 PM) NeddySeagoon: # Licencing For Projektfarm GmbH -
quantumsummers (On Hold for Feb/Mar Gentoo e.V meeting)  
(06/14/2009 02:49:22 PM) NeddySeagoon: is covered
(06/14/2009 02:49:26 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: :)
(06/14/2009 02:49:55 PM) NeddySeagoon: Fix name and address on IPR/trademark
documents, 31 Aug 2008 meeting authorised the $200 fees - fmccor
(06/14/2009 02:50:57 PM) ***quantumsummers|Corsair thought that the above was
completed
(06/14/2009 02:51:26 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, ^
(06/14/2009 02:51:50 PM) fmccor: All a mess.  I don't know what's happened, and
I don't think we have a lawyer looking at it.
(06/14/2009 02:52:08 PM) fmccor: Now, i can do forms, if I can find them.
(06/14/2009 02:52:38 PM) NeddySeagoon: what happened ?   It was one of the Pro
Bono firms looking at it and the $200 was for fees
(06/14/2009 02:53:03 PM) fmccor: I want to move everything to Boston, but since
we are represented pro bono, we are not first priority,
(06/14/2009 02:53:13 PM) tsunam_: *nods8
(06/14/2009 02:53:31 PM) tsunam_: is there a reason for wanting to move
everything to the boston group?
(06/14/2009 02:53:32 PM) NeddySeagoon: I understand.   Why the move though ?
(06/14/2009 02:53:39 PM) fmccor: NeddySeagoon, I know what happened, but it is a
private communication.
(06/14/2009 02:53:59 PM) NeddySeagoon: I respect that
(06/14/2009 02:54:23 PM) fmccor: I *think* the west coast firm is in some
trouble, but that is pure speculation.
(06/14/2009 02:54:59 PM) fmccor: For moving?  Yes, it's more efficient.
(06/14/2009 02:55:08 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: sounds good to me
(06/14/2009 02:55:20 PM) NeddySeagoon: Is Boston interested in the work ?
(06/14/2009 02:55:41 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I will need to talk with them
once we have our temp 501c3 letter, it will make them happy to write off some
of the work
(06/14/2009 02:55:52 PM) fmccor: They were.  But that's before our economy
tanked.
(06/14/2009 02:56:04 PM) tsunam_: *nods*
(06/14/2009 02:56:12 PM) tsunam_: yes the 501c3 would make them happy
(06/14/2009 02:57:02 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, See what you can find out from
both firms ... that you can share with the rest of us so we can make an
informed decision.  I don't want us to act on speculation
(06/14/2009 02:57:12 PM) fmccor: Problem is they are pro bono.  If we paid them,
there would be no problem.  Personally, I think asking for free representation
is a loser, but no one has ever agreed with me.
(06/14/2009 02:57:50 PM) NeddySeagoon: Ask about fees too.  Maybe in bad times
we would get a good price ?
(06/14/2009 02:57:51 PM) tsunam_: fmccor: even having a "retention" lawyer is
not cheap
(06/14/2009 02:58:02 PM) fmccor: NeddySeagoon, Will do.  I've been holding off
just to see what west coast would say.
(06/14/2009 02:58:44 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, its all about getting the
information we need to make a decsion.  Be it fee paying, moving ... whatever
(06/14/2009 02:59:20 PM) NeddySeagoon: 4 Open Bugs Assigned to Trustees 
(06/14/2009 02:59:33 PM) NeddySeagoon: 253491 Gentoo Store - Add Case stickers,
badges ...
(06/14/2009 03:00:02 PM) NeddySeagoon: This is open to discuss rearranging the
link to the gentoo store. 
(06/14/2009 03:00:29 PM) fmccor: We want to move --- just to consolidate if
nothing else.  Boston is waiting to hear from Kazakhstan, and no one has
control over that.  (Bug 264682)
(06/14/2009 03:00:30 PM) NeddySeagoon: All our licenced vendors should have a
link here
(06/14/2009 03:00:30 PM) Willikins:
https://bugs.gentoo.org/264682 "www.linuxcenter.kz wish to be our vendors in
Kazakhstan"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; NEW; fmccor@g.o:trustees@g.o
(06/14/2009 03:01:41 PM) NeddySeagoon: I have nothing against the
move/consolidation as long as we don't lose any skills in the process
(06/14/2009 03:02:26 PM) NeddySeagoon: robbat2, how do we get a Gentoo Stores
page, in place of a single link ? 
(06/14/2009 03:02:53 PM) robbat2: easy enough
(06/14/2009 03:03:09 PM) NeddySeagoon: Who has access besides you ?
(06/14/2009 03:03:13 PM) robbat2: i'll put it at /main/en/stores.xml
(06/14/2009 03:03:17 PM) robbat2: the web team
(06/14/2009 03:03:21 PM) robbat2: neysx chiefly
(06/14/2009 03:03:53 PM) robbat2:
cvsweb:!:3001:pauldv,klieber,g2boojum,neysx,solar,ramereth,fox2mike,nightmorph,robbat2,musikc,dberkholz,antarus,jmbsvicetto,ford_prefect
(06/14/2009 03:04:05 PM) NeddySeagoon: So we would have to raise a bug to get it
changed ?
(06/14/2009 03:04:29 PM) robbat2: i can just give somebody else amongst the
trustees perms
(06/14/2009 03:04:32 PM) robbat2: that has two of us then
(06/14/2009 03:04:46 PM) robbat2: you want it?
(06/14/2009 03:04:54 PM) NeddySeagoon: amd musikc is there two, she looks after
the shop
(06/14/2009 03:05:19 PM) NeddySeagoon: OK, as long as the web team is happy with
that
(06/14/2009 03:05:57 PM) NeddySeagoon: What I ahve in mind is a list of approved
vendors and an invitation to report any unapproved ones
(06/14/2009 03:06:20 PM) robbat2: ok, i'll make a simple page for the moment,
and give you perms, and you can improve it thereafter
(06/14/2009 03:06:27 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, tsunam_ quantumsummers  ^^  are
you ok with that ?
(06/14/2009 03:06:36 PM) fmccor: Yes.
(06/14/2009 03:06:53 PM) NeddySeagoon: robbat2, works for me.
(06/14/2009 03:07:01 PM) NeddySeagoon: Do we need a vote ?
(06/14/2009 03:07:27 PM) tsunam_: sure
(06/14/2009 03:07:35 PM) tsunam_: don't believe we need one
(06/14/2009 03:07:39 PM) fmccor: Yes, again.
(06/14/2009 03:07:53 PM) NeddySeagoon: We seem to have a majority anyway.
(06/14/2009 03:08:08 PM) NeddySeagoon: 254249 gentoo.org Website Redesign
(06/14/2009 03:08:27 PM) NeddySeagoon: #254249
(06/14/2009 03:08:55 PM) NeddySeagoon: This keeps coming up but nobody wants to
do it.  Lets close it 
(06/14/2009 03:09:12 PM) NeddySeagoon: !254249
(06/14/2009 03:09:13 PM) fmccor: Works for me.
(06/14/2009 03:09:37 PM) NeddySeagoon: tsunam_, quantumsummers robbat2  ^^
(06/14/2009 03:09:47 PM) robbat2: +!
(06/14/2009 03:09:49 PM) robbat2: err
(06/14/2009 03:09:50 PM) robbat2: +1
(06/14/2009 03:09:50 PM) tsunam_: we can close it :(
(06/14/2009 03:10:18 PM) NeddySeagoon: #254588 Possible confusion over use of
the Gentoo Penguin (Quicktime Penguin) Logo
(06/14/2009 03:10:25 PM) jmbsvicetto: robbat2: I now have access to cvsweb?
(06/14/2009 03:10:38 PM) jmbsvicetto: robbat2: I wasn't aware of that
(06/14/2009 03:10:42 PM) NeddySeagoon: Did this get fixed ?  The main page
didn't use tux last time I looked
(06/14/2009 03:11:05 PM) robbat2: look at "Website tweaks bring more life and
usability to the homepage"
(06/14/2009 03:11:07 PM) robbat2: it's there still
(06/14/2009 03:11:15 PM) robbat2: assuming that's the one people were talking
about
(06/14/2009 03:11:52 PM) NeddySeagoon: yep, its still wrong.  We are moving to
the kernel logo
(06/14/2009 03:12:31 PM) NeddySeagoon: The new image was on the bug ... so how
do we throw the switch and who do we poke ?
(06/14/2009 03:15:25 PM) NeddySeagoon: robbat2, tsunam_ quantumsummers fmccor 
^^^
(06/14/2009 03:15:39 PM) tsunam_: we need to change it so *shrugs*
(06/14/2009 03:15:39 PM) robbat2: one sec, i'm just finishing the stores.xml
(06/14/2009 03:16:05 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: the image needs to change
(06/14/2009 03:16:35 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I have no opinion on the web
redesign bug, as I am moving forward on something alone it appears
(06/14/2009 03:16:44 PM) NeddySeagoon: Who takes the the work on the bug and
applies it to the website ?
(06/14/2009 03:16:50 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I'll finish it & submit for
comments
(06/14/2009 03:17:02 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: no idea who does that
(06/14/2009 03:17:04 PM) robbat2: stores.xml will go live on the next web update
pass
(06/14/2009 03:17:08 PM) tsunam_: k
(06/14/2009 03:17:09 PM) robbat2: i'll do the image change in a moment too
(06/14/2009 03:17:20 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, I don't think the web
redesign is related to what you are doing
(06/14/2009 03:17:20 PM) robbat2: Willikins, bug 254588 
(06/14/2009 03:17:23 PM) Willikins: robbat2:
https://bugs.gentoo.org/254588 "Possible confusion over use of the Gentoo
Penguin (Quicktime Penguin) Logo"; Documentation, Other documents; REOP;
fmccor@g.o:trustees@g.o
(06/14/2009 03:17:36 PM) NeddySeagoon: robbat2, thanks
(06/14/2009 03:19:00 PM) NeddySeagoon: bug 264682 linuxcenter.kz wish to be our
vendors in Kazakhstan 
(06/14/2009 03:19:02 PM) Willikins: NeddySeagoon:
https://bugs.gentoo.org/264682 "www.linuxcenter.kz wish to be our vendors in
Kazakhstan"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; NEW; fmccor@g.o:trustees@g.o
(06/14/2009 03:19:48 PM) fmccor: Let's just bless them.  They are going to do it
whatever we say, and the had the courtesy to ask.
(06/14/2009 03:20:19 PM) NeddySeagoon: OK,  In view of lawyer termoil, I agree
(06/14/2009 03:20:31 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: me too
(06/14/2009 03:20:36 PM) tsunam_: k
(06/14/2009 03:20:48 PM) fmccor: To register the trademarks will be very
expensive, if the local lawyers even respond at all.
(06/14/2009 03:20:57 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, you want to write to them
please
(06/14/2009 03:21:07 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: NeddySeagoon: can do
(06/14/2009 03:21:52 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, lets ask them if they can
reccomend a law firm 
(06/14/2009 03:22:28 PM) robbat2: penguin icon changed
(06/14/2009 03:22:30 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I can add that to the letter I
send
(06/14/2009 03:22:33 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: thanks robbat2
(06/14/2009 03:22:49 PM) fmccor: Can do.  Please prod me later if I don'd do
anything.  (Headache is worse, and I'm fading.)
(06/14/2009 03:22:50 PM) NeddySeagoon: thanks robbat2 
(06/14/2009 03:23:20 PM) robbat2: is that all of the bugs done?
(06/14/2009 03:23:31 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yesir
(06/14/2009 03:23:33 PM) NeddySeagoon: I propose we skip items 5-9 on the agenda
as its been a long meeting and there is nothing urgent there
(06/14/2009 03:23:33 PM) fmccor: Yes.
(06/14/2009 03:23:45 PM) robbat2: 8/9 we can do, should just be votes?
(06/14/2009 03:24:01 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I agree, lets do 8 & 9
(06/14/2009 03:24:09 PM) robbat2: #
(06/14/2009 03:24:09 PM) robbat2:     *
(06/14/2009 03:24:09 PM) robbat2:           o
(06/14/2009 03:24:09 PM) robbat2: # Appoint Roy Bamford as Chairman of the
Gentoo Linux Foundation Inc
(06/14/2009 03:24:09 PM) robbat2: # Appoint Ferris McCormick as Vice-Chairman of
the Gentoo Linux Foundation Inc
(06/14/2009 03:24:19 PM) robbat2: oops, sorry about the weird header
(06/14/2009 03:24:23 PM) fmccor: No, let's just do * & 9.  It;s pure
administrative, and we need to do it.
(06/14/2009 03:24:29 PM) NeddySeagoon: robbat2, if you want.  It make it easy to
split the offices and trustee positions later if we ant to
(06/14/2009 03:24:37 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: motion: appoint Roy chair &
Ferris Vice-Chair
(06/14/2009 03:24:46 PM) NeddySeagoon: secpnded
(06/14/2009 03:24:50 PM) NeddySeagoon: seconded
(06/14/2009 03:24:54 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: Votes?
(06/14/2009 03:24:56 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yes
(06/14/2009 03:24:59 PM) robbat2: aye
(06/14/2009 03:25:00 PM) NeddySeagoon: yes
(06/14/2009 03:25:01 PM) fmccor: Yes.
(06/14/2009 03:25:11 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: tsunam_: ^?
(06/14/2009 03:25:16 PM) tsunam_: yep
(06/14/2009 03:25:22 PM) NeddySeagoon: carried
(06/14/2009 03:25:31 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: Congrats, majority approve Roy
& Ferris as all round great fellas
(06/14/2009 03:25:36 PM) NeddySeagoon: Date of Next Meeting - 12th July 2009
(06/14/2009 03:25:38 PM) NeddySeagoon: hehe
(06/14/2009 03:25:49 PM) robbat2: i may be late or absent, depends on my flight
to Montreal
(06/14/2009 03:25:50 PM) ***fmccor will take that out of his write-up, then.
(06/14/2009 03:25:55 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: lol
(06/14/2009 03:26:07 PM) NeddySeagoon: thats from our Calendar
(06/14/2009 03:26:15 PM) ***fmccor loves Montreal
(06/14/2009 03:26:29 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I will be on a place at that
time, going from Cali, but I may be able to make some of the meeting
(06/14/2009 03:26:29 PM) robbat2: in theory I'll be landing in the airport
around 1855UTC
(06/14/2009 03:26:52 PM) NeddySeagoon: Should we change the date/time then ?
(06/14/2009 03:26:59 PM) tsunam_: hmm might be a good idea to have it another
day then with 2 memebers traveling
(06/14/2009 03:27:14 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: sorry for the trouble, my wife
is in a wedding
(06/14/2009 03:27:16 PM) fmccor: Move it back a week if it helps.
(06/14/2009 03:27:21 PM) NeddySeagoon: I can do 1900 UTC any day
(06/14/2009 03:27:24 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: that'll work well
(06/14/2009 03:27:30 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: the next sunday that is
(06/14/2009 03:27:39 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: could try Monday as well
(06/14/2009 03:27:45 PM) robbat2: how's the day before?
(06/14/2009 03:27:49 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, you mean 5th or 19th >
(06/14/2009 03:27:59 PM) fmccor: 19th
(06/14/2009 03:28:02 PM) tsunam_: I'd prefer the 19th
(06/14/2009 03:28:04 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: robbat2: My net access may be
spotty
(06/14/2009 03:28:21 PM) NeddySeagoon: I can do the 19th
(06/14/2009 03:28:22 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: 19th is good here
(06/14/2009 03:28:25 PM) robbat2: 19th +1 for me
(06/14/2009 03:28:32 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: sold
(06/14/2009 03:28:47 PM) NeddySeagoon: Ok, its the 19th at 1900UTC
(06/14/2009 03:29:02 PM) NeddySeagoon: Any other business ?
(06/14/2009 03:29:14 PM) robbat2: none since we ran overtime already
(06/14/2009 03:29:21 PM) NeddySeagoon: seems fair
(06/14/2009 03:29:26 PM) NeddySeagoon: Open Floor ...
(06/14/2009 03:29:30 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: it might be good to do a
training sometime on the KM stuff, but I'll email around
(06/14/2009 03:29:55 PM) ***NeddySeagoon declares the meeting closed


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(05/17/2009 02:00:38 PM) fmccor: OK.  Let's start.  tsunam is on vacation and
Toy is out collecting speeding tickets, so I guess we have robbat2
quantumsummers and me.
(05/17/2009 02:00:46 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, here?
(05/17/2009 02:01:25 PM) fmccor: Maybe we have quantumsummers ?
(05/17/2009 02:02:28 PM) fmccor: (Can't start until he checks back in.)
(05/17/2009 02:02:32 PM) MinnieBannister: I'm here sort of
(05/17/2009 02:02:45 PM) fmccor: MinnieBannister, meeting is now yours.
(05/17/2009 02:03:22 PM) MinnieBannister: my main display has packed up and I
only have ssh to my logger
(05/17/2009 02:03:32 PM) MinnieBannister: fmccor: please run the meeting
(05/17/2009 02:03:46 PM) fmccor: OK, do you count as here?
(05/17/2009 02:04:05 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers was here an hour ago but seems
to have disappeared.
(05/17/2009 02:04:29 PM) MinnieBannister: yes. I don't have any GUI, so I can't
see the agenda but I  can take part in discussion
(05/17/2009 02:05:08 PM) fmccor: First item is updated treasurer report, which
tsunam supplied last week.
(05/17/2009 02:05:15 PM) MinnieBannister: GNOME won't start on the netbook :(
(05/17/2009 02:05:33 PM) fmccor: Hm.
(05/17/2009 02:06:09 PM) MinnieBannister: fmccor: I've read it.  Hes made the
corretions the meeting asked. I move that it be adopted
(05/17/2009 02:06:31 PM) fmccor: second
(05/17/2009 02:06:36 PM) fmccor: robbat2, ?
(05/17/2009 02:06:40 PM) robbat2: i'm around
(05/17/2009 02:06:47 PM) robbat2: no objections to it
(05/17/2009 02:06:55 PM) fmccor: As to the motion, any comments?
(05/17/2009 02:07:01 PM) robbat2: none
(05/17/2009 02:07:05 PM) fmccor: Vote:
(05/17/2009 02:07:08 PM) ***fmccor yes
(05/17/2009 02:07:10 PM) robbat2: yes
(05/17/2009 02:07:15 PM) MinnieBannister: yes
(05/17/2009 02:07:33 PM) fmccor: OK, it's accepted as submitted.
(05/17/2009 02:07:57 PM) MinnieBannister: it needs to   get into the foundation
webspace
(05/17/2009 02:08:45 PM) fmccor: Yes, I'd expect tsunam or quantumsummers to put
it there.
(05/17/2009 02:08:51 PM) MinnieBannister: yep
(05/17/2009 02:09:05 PM) fmccor: I don't know where he's off to.
(05/17/2009 02:10:09 PM) MinnieBannister: next item ?
(05/17/2009 02:10:21 PM) fmccor: While we're on money, tsunam also asks
cafepress funds be sent to him or direct deposit.  I suggest we authorize him
to set that up.
(05/17/2009 02:10:24 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: hey hey, sorry I'm late
(05/17/2009 02:10:43 PM) fmccor: We've already given you one action item. :)
(05/17/2009 02:11:19 PM) fmccor: Unless there are objections, I move to
authorize tsunam to set that up with cafepress.
(05/17/2009 02:11:23 PM) MinnieBannister: fmccor: I prefer direct deposit as it
removes a single point of failure
(05/17/2009 02:11:48 PM) fmccor: I do too, it's just a matter of what cafepress
will do I think.
(05/17/2009 02:11:54 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: direct would be optimal
(05/17/2009 02:12:04 PM) robbat2: direct deposit if possible, otherwise switch
it to him
(05/17/2009 02:12:29 PM) fmccor: robbat2, I agree.  Could you put that in form
of a motion, please?
(05/17/2009 02:13:03 PM) fmccor: Anyone?
(05/17/2009 02:13:07 PM) robbat2: Motion: cafepress fund transfers to be change
to direct deposit into the Gentoo Foundation bank account if possible, and if
not possible, to be sent to the current treasurer
(05/17/2009 02:13:13 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: second
(05/17/2009 02:13:21 PM) MinnieBannister: vote ... yes
(05/17/2009 02:13:22 PM) fmccor: Vote?
(05/17/2009 02:13:24 PM) robbat2: yes
(05/17/2009 02:13:27 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yes
(05/17/2009 02:13:27 PM) ***fmccor yes
(05/17/2009 02:13:31 PM) fmccor: carried.
(05/17/2009 02:13:58 PM) fmccor: Next item.  CPA --- quantumsummers 
(05/17/2009 02:14:03 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: regarding previous action item,
I take it those need to be in guidexml
(05/17/2009 02:14:48 PM) fmccor: The treasurer's report?  I suppose.
fmccor fmccor|away 
(05/17/2009 02:15:23 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: fmccor as well as the sec
report, or are those fine in plain html?
(05/17/2009 02:15:35 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, You also have the knowledge
base item, so please do both at once.
(05/17/2009 02:15:48 PM) robbat2: ideally guidexml to merge with the rest of the
website, but they can be in plain html if there's no other choice
(05/17/2009 02:16:08 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: CPA, we are in good shape
there. 501c3 app is moving along, should have draft for approval by June
meeting
(05/17/2009 02:16:10 PM) robbat2: there's some toplevel script stuff that sucks
out titles from guidexml
(05/17/2009 02:16:24 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: robbat2: I can guide 'em
(05/17/2009 02:16:34 PM) MinnieBannister: quantumsummers: leave them assss they
are - thats how they are/will be approved
(05/17/2009 02:17:18 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: MinnieBannister: as you wish.
(05/17/2009 02:17:50 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: any questions for the CPA or
regarding 1023 form?
(05/17/2009 02:18:03 PM) fmccor: Not I.
(05/17/2009 02:18:11 PM) robbat2: none from me
(05/17/2009 02:18:14 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I'll run it by the CPA before
submission, of course
(05/17/2009 02:18:18 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok
(05/17/2009 02:18:44 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, Is Knowledge Management still
targeted for June?
(05/17/2009 02:18:50 PM) MinnieBannister: quantumsummers: where is the form ?
(05/17/2009 02:19:34 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: MinnieBannister:
http://www.irs.gov/instructions/i1023/index.html
fmccor fmccor|away 
(05/17/2009 02:20:01 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: fmccor: on target for June
deployment of KMS
(05/17/2009 02:20:12 PM) MinnieBannister: quantumsummers: Ah, I thought you were
refering to  a completed form
(05/17/2009 02:20:35 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: MinnieBannister: I'm not
finished with it, only about 40%
(05/17/2009 02:20:40 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: its rather long
(05/17/2009 02:20:57 PM) fmccor: Fun.
(05/17/2009 02:21:09 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I think I can have it cleared
by CPA & presented to the board for June
(05/17/2009 02:21:22 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: approval & submission
(05/17/2009 02:21:28 PM) MinnieBannister: quantumsummers: take your time and get
it right
(05/17/2009 02:21:50 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: MinnieBannister: thanks, yes.
(05/17/2009 02:22:21 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I can pass the important stuff
around to you all if you want to assist in drafting sections
(05/17/2009 02:22:23 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: :)
(05/17/2009 02:22:34 PM) fmccor: Not really.
(05/17/2009 02:22:35 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: don't all jump up at once
(05/17/2009 02:22:38 PM) mode (+o NeddySeagoon ) by ChanServ
(05/17/2009 02:22:40 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: :D
(05/17/2009 02:22:58 PM) MinnieBannister: quantumsummers: As an outsider, I'm
interested
(05/17/2009 02:23:07 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: its cool, you will have to at
least read it before we vote on it
(05/17/2009 02:23:29 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: MinnieBannister: I can give
pretty fair directions on what is required
(05/17/2009 02:23:39 PM) NeddySeagoon: I have my main box going, so I'll swap
nicks here ...
(05/17/2009 02:23:42 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: beyond what the web site says
(05/17/2009 02:23:55 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, I need to understand it
to vote on it
(05/17/2009 02:24:00 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: NeddySeagoon: nice work
(05/17/2009 02:24:09 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: NeddySeagoon: yes, completely
understand
(05/17/2009 02:24:24 PM) fmccor: NeddySeagoon, you want the meeting now?
(05/17/2009 02:24:39 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok, so if its at all possible I
will shoot to have some stuff for everyone to look at 2 weeks
(05/17/2009 02:24:39 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, no thanks ... just carry on
(05/17/2009 02:25:17 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, that will be good for me
and probably robbat2 as we are not US citizens
(05/17/2009 02:25:46 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: NeddySeagoon: sounds good to
me, I think I can budget enough time to make that happen :)\
(05/17/2009 02:26:16 PM) fmccor: OK, next item is treasurer's report for FY
ending June 2008.  I haven't a clue on that and suggest we defer it for tsunam
unless someone knows.
(05/17/2009 02:27:06 PM) fmccor: Anyone?
(05/17/2009 02:27:14 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I thought that was what he
presented at the AGM
(05/17/2009 02:27:18 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, I suggest we scrap it, as its
almost June 2009 and roll it into one report
(05/17/2009 02:27:38 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: oh, whoops 2008__8__
(05/17/2009 02:27:38 PM) fmccor: That's fine with me.
(05/17/2009 02:27:40 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, our FY  ends om 30 June.  
(05/17/2009 02:27:51 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, I don't know, really.
(05/17/2009 02:28:22 PM) robbat2: the submitted one from before was up to March
31st
(05/17/2009 02:28:33 PM) NeddySeagoon: The original idea was to be able to
present accounts in July but with the banking issues, it didn't happen
(05/17/2009 02:28:35 PM) robbat2: he hasn't submitted the june info at all afaik
(05/17/2009 02:28:59 PM) fmccor: robbat2, What do you suggest?
(05/17/2009 02:29:04 PM) NeddySeagoon: robbat2, was that march 31 08 or 09 ?
(05/17/2009 02:29:04 PM) robbat2: postpone
(05/17/2009 02:29:11 PM) robbat2: i'm not sure
(05/17/2009 02:29:15 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I'm planning to work with Josh
to get the data aggregated
(05/17/2009 02:29:16 PM) NeddySeagoon: I can go with postpone
(05/17/2009 02:29:28 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: postpone is fine with me
(05/17/2009 02:29:45 PM) fmccor: Done --- we'll keep it on the agenda.
(05/17/2009 02:30:09 PM) fmccor: (Don't think we need a motion to carry
something over.)
(05/17/2009 02:30:19 PM) NeddySeagoon: nope
(05/17/2009 02:30:38 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, Any more on knowledge
management? 
(05/17/2009 02:30:43 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: since the next thing is
mine,... I have now written & tested some code for tracking all the IP
infringers, and hook into gpgme to send the freakin emails to them. This way we
can easily track what has been done & their responses, etc. I will begin
sending these out on Monday, please be aware that you will have several emails
in your box due to this
(05/17/2009 02:31:01 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: this code will be integrated
into the KMS
(05/17/2009 02:31:27 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: same system I used to send out
the emails to all members
(05/17/2009 02:31:38 PM) fmccor: Sorry, I missed you when I moved on to
treasurer. :)
(05/17/2009 02:31:38 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: which will also be available
(05/17/2009 02:32:16 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, thanks.
(05/17/2009 02:32:23 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: its ok, I need to take some
responsibility for not getting the IP stuff done, this will take care of it
permanently
(05/17/2009 02:32:43 PM) fmccor: Yes, good thing.
(05/17/2009 02:32:58 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: robbat2: is it possible to
connect to a db on our infra via ssh tunnel?
(05/17/2009 02:33:20 PM) robbat2: which box?
(05/17/2009 02:33:29 PM) robbat2: the one I was going to give you for running
the KMS?
(05/17/2009 02:33:35 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: doesn't matter, I meant in
principle
(05/17/2009 02:33:43 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: or that yes
(05/17/2009 02:33:47 PM) robbat2: if the db is on our machines yes
(05/17/2009 02:33:52 PM) robbat2: if it's on the OSL db servers, no
(05/17/2009 02:34:25 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: basically, this email script
needs to have remote db access to hook into local gpg
(05/17/2009 02:34:47 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: or run the mail locally somehow
& have whoever sending sign it
(05/17/2009 02:35:01 PM) robbat2: we'll work out something
(05/17/2009 02:35:08 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok, cool
(05/17/2009 02:35:30 PM) fmccor: Next --- carry-over?
(05/17/2009 02:35:36 PM) NeddySeagoon: yep
(05/17/2009 02:35:43 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: if needed I can always run this
off my infra until we can arrange a permanent solution 
(05/17/2009 02:37:06 PM) fmccor: First is trustees&Foundation article for GMN. 
We are now full strength, bug GMN is gone.  I think we should put together the
article now and consider how to publish it.
(05/17/2009 02:37:32 PM) robbat2: put the article together, the news blog will
take it
(05/17/2009 02:37:32 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I have been talking to
nightmorph about some guest articles on his gentoo news blog
(05/17/2009 02:37:43 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: robbat2: is that done?
(05/17/2009 02:37:56 PM) robbat2: just not live to my knowledge
(05/17/2009 02:38:13 PM) NeddySeagoon: robbat2, heres what we have so far
http://dev.gentoo.org/~neddyseagoon/docs/trtrustees_GMN.xml
(05/17/2009 02:38:19 PM) fmccor: OK.  I'll have to update whatever I sent to
NeddySeagoon last year, although the picture is the same.
(05/17/2009 02:38:44 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok, awesome. I volunteer to
write some :)
(05/17/2009 02:38:52 PM) NeddySeagoon: robbat2, quantumsummers you need to do
bits too
(05/17/2009 02:39:04 PM) fmccor: Idea was that everyone would contribute.
(05/17/2009 02:39:11 PM) NeddySeagoon: I'm happy to put it together
(05/17/2009 02:39:26 PM) fmccor: What's a realistic target date?
(05/17/2009 02:39:26 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: great! I'll send you some text
(05/17/2009 02:39:38 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, and a picture.
(05/17/2009 02:39:38 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, and a photo ?
(05/17/2009 02:39:44 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: sure
(05/17/2009 02:39:49 PM) robbat2: sure
(05/17/2009 02:39:59 PM) ***robbat2 gets the feeling he may be the youngest
trustee
(05/17/2009 02:40:05 PM) NeddySeagoon: by the next meeting ?
(05/17/2009 02:40:22 PM) fmccor: Works for me.
(05/17/2009 02:40:22 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: NeddySeagoon: I can do that
(05/17/2009 02:40:35 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok - thats the target
(05/17/2009 02:40:52 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: tgall - Secetarty - add mugshot
(05/17/2009 02:40:56 PM) fmccor: That'll be about June 14.
(05/17/2009 02:40:57 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: that is a good one
(05/17/2009 02:41:40 PM) NeddySeagoon: yep ... nobody wrote back about my
meetings calendar ...
(05/17/2009 02:42:00 PM) fmccor: So we'll have everything to NeddySeagoon by
mid-June.
(05/17/2009 02:42:23 PM) fmccor: Does tsunam need to be reminded or do you have
something from him?
(05/17/2009 02:42:34 PM) NeddySeagoon: he needs to be reminded
(05/17/2009 02:42:53 PM) fmccor: OK, that'll be in the minutes I guess.
(05/17/2009 02:43:15 PM) robbat2: NeddySeagoon, want to bring that calendar up
here quickly, so we can proclaim the dates now?
(05/17/2009 02:43:35 PM) NeddySeagoon: robbat2, I was going to do it under AoB
(05/17/2009 02:43:41 PM) fmccor: OK.
(05/17/2009 02:43:42 PM) robbat2: ok
(05/17/2009 02:43:54 PM) robbat2: what's next?
(05/17/2009 02:44:18 PM) fmccor: Next is mine --- work with Gentoo e.V. .... 
Still awaiting action from Gentoo e.V.
(05/17/2009 02:44:22 PM) fmccor: No report.
(05/17/2009 02:45:07 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: seems like that is the case for
all the rest of the items in #3
(05/17/2009 02:45:10 PM) NeddySeagoon: its really in their hands ...
(05/17/2009 02:45:23 PM) fmccor: No --- I have updates.
(05/17/2009 02:45:31 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: aha
(05/17/2009 02:45:41 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: n IPR/trademark ?
(05/17/2009 02:46:30 PM) fmccor: Our domestic trademark attorney is changing who
is assigned to us.  So I should have more when I find out who that is.
(05/17/2009 02:46:54 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, heh ... news on the news
(05/17/2009 02:47:17 PM) fmccor: It might be reasonable to move all of the
trademark work to our Boston firm, depending on what the San Diego people do.
(05/17/2009 02:47:58 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, we can only wait and see
(05/17/2009 02:48:10 PM) fmccor: I infer the San Diego firm is in a bit of a
turmoil, but am not sure.
(05/17/2009 02:49:31 PM) fmccor: Anyway, the item is still pending and I am now
waiting to hear from San Diego.
(05/17/2009 02:49:38 PM) NeddySeagoon: next item ?
(05/17/2009 02:49:43 PM) fmccor: Open bugs.
(05/17/2009 02:50:12 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: whoohoo :)
(05/17/2009 02:50:24 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: #217511
(05/17/2009 02:50:29 PM) robbat2: bug 217511
(05/17/2009 02:50:31 PM) Willikins: robbat2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/217511 "The
Gentoo Store is Out of Date"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; NEW;
neddyseagoon@g.o:trustees@g.o
(05/17/2009 02:50:52 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I think that one can be closed
since comprookie is helping out
(05/17/2009 02:50:59 PM) NeddySeagoon: comprookie2000, was going to work with
musikc to keep it up to date
(05/17/2009 02:51:07 PM) fmccor: 217511 Gentoo store is out of date.
(05/17/2009 02:51:15 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: we should perhaps consider a
tracker bug for the store to monitor progress
(05/17/2009 02:51:24 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, did that actually start ?
(05/17/2009 02:51:47 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: NeddySeagoon: I thought so, I
wonder if we should make him staff & a login to the store
(05/17/2009 02:52:04 PM) comprookie2000: We are getting suggestions from the
forum post
(05/17/2009 02:52:04 PM) NeddySeagoon: comprookie2000, ping
(05/17/2009 02:52:12 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: hi David
(05/17/2009 02:52:17 PM) comprookie2000: hi
(05/17/2009 02:52:19 PM) NeddySeagoon: can we close the bug ?
(05/17/2009 02:52:31 PM) comprookie2000: yes
(05/17/2009 02:52:40 PM) NeddySeagoon: comprookie2000, are you working with
musikc on this
(05/17/2009 02:53:02 PM) comprookie2000: yes, she is very busy, but I do catch
her in irc
(05/17/2009 02:53:05 PM) fmccor: It's closed.
(05/17/2009 02:53:09 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, appoint a storekeeper you
mean ?
(05/17/2009 02:53:15 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok
(05/17/2009 02:53:27 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: NeddySeagoon: yes
(05/17/2009 02:53:38 PM) comprookie2000: I think she would be OK with that
(05/17/2009 02:53:56 PM) NeddySeagoon: I'm not against that if it would help
(05/17/2009 02:54:17 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, So, you would like to add
comprookie2000 to your staff (or to tsunam's)?
fmccor fmccor|away 
(05/17/2009 02:54:42 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: fmccor both of us can work with
him
(05/17/2009 02:54:42 PM) fmccor: It's fine with me if comprookie2000 is
agreeable.
(05/17/2009 02:54:48 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, I would like tsunam to have some
say in it
(05/17/2009 02:54:57 PM) comprookie2000: Fine with me
(05/17/2009 02:55:11 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: comprookie2000: if you were to
take over the store, would you mind reporting to Josh & I. I think we'll just
need a csv from cafepress more or less
(05/17/2009 02:55:21 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: with the sales that is
(05/17/2009 02:55:39 PM) comprookie2000: sure
(05/17/2009 02:55:40 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I can coordinate things if
needed
(05/17/2009 02:55:53 PM) fmccor: OK, we'll take this up next meeting.  Until
then, I suggest quantumsummers and comprookie2000 and tsunam (when he gets
back) flesh out the position.
(05/17/2009 02:55:58 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: robbat2: you want to get into
the store at all, anyone else?
(05/17/2009 02:55:58 PM) NeddySeagoon: lets work out the details outside the
meeting ... we are agreed in principle
(05/17/2009 02:56:06 PM) robbat2: nope, i don't need in
(05/17/2009 02:56:12 PM) fmccor: Not me.
(05/17/2009 02:56:18 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: NeddySeagoon: ?
(05/17/2009 02:56:34 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: want to play with the store?
(05/17/2009 02:56:36 PM) NeddySeagoon: I'll go with whatever you guys work out
(05/17/2009 02:57:02 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok, sounds good. comprookie2000
you will receive an email from me & we can talk about it
(05/17/2009 02:57:07 PM) NeddySeagoon: no, I'll stay out of the store.  Did the
2006.0 CDs get dropped from the UK page ?
(05/17/2009 02:57:14 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, Can you and the others have
something to recommend at the next meeting and have a motion prepared?
fmccor fmccor|away 
(05/17/2009 02:57:49 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: fmccor yes
(05/17/2009 02:57:57 PM) comprookie2000: We will need access to the graphics
used on the items
(05/17/2009 02:58:13 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: np
(05/17/2009 02:58:36 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I might have some new ones
too :)
(05/17/2009 02:58:45 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, the 2006.0 AMD64 CD is
still on the UK store
(05/17/2009 02:58:46 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: subject to approval of course
(05/17/2009 02:58:52 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: NeddySeagoon: noted
(05/17/2009 02:59:42 PM) fmccor: Bug #234705 --- anyone know the status, or is
this done?
(05/17/2009 02:59:44 PM) Willikins: fmccor:
https://bugs.gentoo.org/234705 "Document of being an active developer"; Gentoo
Linux, Unspecified; NEW; dberkholz@g.o:araujo@g.o
(05/17/2009 03:00:32 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: leave it as a tracker so we can
keep track of the files
(05/17/2009 03:00:42 PM) NeddySeagoon: it should be closed with a note saying
I'll sign European applications and quantumsummers will sign USA ones on behalf
of the foundation
(05/17/2009 03:00:50 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: sounds fine with me
(05/17/2009 03:01:03 PM) robbat2: I can do candian ones if needed too
(05/17/2009 03:01:13 PM) robbat2: but USA/Canada mail is cheap
(05/17/2009 03:01:14 PM) NeddySeagoon: I only put it on the agenda so it can be
closed
(05/17/2009 03:01:26 PM) fmccor: Thanks.
(05/17/2009 03:02:06 PM) fmccor: NeddySeagoon, please add the note and close
it. :)
(05/17/2009 03:02:16 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, ok
(05/17/2009 03:02:31 PM) fmccor: Bug #241650
(05/17/2009 03:02:34 PM) Willikins: fmccor:
https://bugs.gentoo.org/241650 "truecrypt has a dangerous license."; Gentoo
Linux, Applications; REOP; dberkholz@g.o:crypto@g.o
(05/17/2009 03:03:15 PM) fmccor: This is actually not our bug, but I commented
on it as to how I think the crypro team should handle it.
(05/17/2009 03:03:35 PM) ***quantumsummers|Corsair has to step afk, back in 3
mins
(05/17/2009 03:04:32 PM) robbat2: to summarize, crypto team should just use
RESTRICT="mirror fetch bindist" 
(05/17/2009 03:05:06 PM) robbat2: along with an ewarn
(05/17/2009 03:05:20 PM) fmccor: I think that's about what I suggested, too, and
it's up to them to do it.
(05/17/2009 03:05:33 PM) fmccor: Feel free to add your thoughts to the bug too.
(05/17/2009 03:05:46 PM) robbat2: i'm a crypto herd member, but i don't touch
truecrypt ;-)
(05/17/2009 03:05:55 PM) robbat2: ok, i'll summarize it into the bug
(05/17/2009 03:05:58 PM) robbat2: and tell the team to go ahead
(05/17/2009 03:06:26 PM) fmccor: Just about no one does, and that's part of the
problem.  It's actually a nice program.
(05/17/2009 03:07:29 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor - closed the dev cert bug
(05/17/2009 03:07:36 PM) ***quantumsummers|Corsair is back, apologies 
(05/17/2009 03:07:39 PM) fmccor: Thank you
(05/17/2009 03:07:45 PM) fmccor: Just in time.
(05/17/2009 03:08:26 PM) fmccor: Bug # 245227
(05/17/2009 03:08:40 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: Bug 245227
(05/17/2009 03:08:43 PM) Willikins: quantumsummers:
https://bugs.gentoo.org/245227 "Funding request: replacement hard drive for
osprey.gentoo.org"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; RESO, FIXE;
robbat2@g.o:trustees@g.o
(05/17/2009 03:08:46 PM) robbat2: ok, I left a comment on the truecrypt bug for
the crypto team, if none of them touch it by the end of the next week, i'll bug
it for them
(05/17/2009 03:08:59 PM) fmccor: robbat2, thank you.
(05/17/2009 03:09:04 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: thanks robbat2
(05/17/2009 03:09:04 PM) Arfrever: I'm from crypto project and I can add this
RESTRICT :)
(05/17/2009 03:09:04 PM) robbat2: #245227 budget limit for infra repairs
(05/17/2009 03:09:10 PM) robbat2: Arfrever, go for it
(05/17/2009 03:09:20 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: hey Arfrever, thanks :)
(05/17/2009 03:09:21 PM) NeddySeagoon: Arfrever, well done
(05/17/2009 03:10:02 PM) robbat2: for #245227, tsunam (i think) had suggested
that we authorize infrastructure to a base level of funding for purchases
relating to hardware repair
(05/17/2009 03:10:04 PM) fmccor: This bug is closed --- can we remove it from
the agenda?
(05/17/2009 03:10:11 PM) NeddySeagoon: yes
(05/17/2009 03:10:17 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yes
(05/17/2009 03:10:24 PM) robbat2: it wasn't the bug directly, just that tsunam
wanted to streamline the process
(05/17/2009 03:10:33 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, all the closed bugs can be
removed
(05/17/2009 03:10:49 PM) fmccor: NeddySeagoon, you control the agenda. :)
(05/17/2009 03:11:16 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: robbat2: yes. what do you think
is an appropriate amount? I would guess that <$1000 USD should do it
(05/17/2009 03:11:29 PM) NeddySeagoon: robbat2, yeah, we want infra to just fix
stuff up to a 'reasonable value' but we need a number
(05/17/2009 03:11:44 PM) robbat2: $1000/year is fine by me.
(05/17/2009 03:12:05 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: we should not encourage
needless spending though ... I meant up to $1K per month available without a
vote
(05/17/2009 03:12:13 PM) NeddySeagoon: I move that we set a repairs budget for
infra of $1000/year
(05/17/2009 03:12:21 PM) fmccor: Second
(05/17/2009 03:12:29 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: second
(05/17/2009 03:12:33 PM) NeddySeagoon: Vote ?
(05/17/2009 03:12:34 PM) robbat2: yes
(05/17/2009 03:12:35 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yes
(05/17/2009 03:12:38 PM) NeddySeagoon: yes
(05/17/2009 03:12:38 PM) fmccor: Yes
(05/17/2009 03:12:43 PM) NeddySeagoon: carried
(05/17/2009 03:13:18 PM) fmccor: Bug #253491 --- more on the store, this bug is
also marked closed.
(05/17/2009 03:13:20 PM) Willikins: fmccor:
https://bugs.gentoo.org/253491 "Gentoo Store - Add Case stickers, badges.";
Gentoo Infrastructure, Other; RESO, FIXE; david@××××××××××.com:trustees@g.o
(05/17/2009 03:13:28 PM) NeddySeagoon: I suggest it runs the same as our FY ...
1 July to 31 June
(05/17/2009 03:13:45 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: NeddySeagoon: noted
(05/17/2009 03:14:11 PM) NeddySeagoon: comprookie2000, did that stuff on 253491
get added or was a decision made not to ?
(05/17/2009 03:15:02 PM) NeddySeagoon: I can't see the USA cafepress store from
the UK
(05/17/2009 03:15:26 PM) comprookie2000: The stickers for case badges that could
be created at cafepress will not do
(05/17/2009 03:15:46 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok, we should close that bug
wontfix
(05/17/2009 03:15:59 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: point people to techiant for
badges
(05/17/2009 03:16:05 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: if approved
(05/17/2009 03:16:11 PM) NeddySeagoon: comprookie2000, Can you talk to
Techiant ... hes on the agenda later
(05/17/2009 03:16:12 PM) Techiant: I am available if anyone has any questions
(05/17/2009 03:16:22 PM) comprookie2000: great
(05/17/2009 03:16:27 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, ok
(05/17/2009 03:17:32 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: comprookie2000, Techiant, we'll
need to discuss further over email
(05/17/2009 03:17:47 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: though we will talk about the
issue in a few mins
(05/17/2009 03:18:17 PM) mode (+v Dr_Who ) by ChanServ
(05/17/2009 03:18:57 PM) NeddySeagoon: next item ?
(05/17/2009 03:19:09 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: bug 254249
(05/17/2009 03:19:12 PM) Willikins: https://bugs.gentoo.org/254249 "Tracking a
conversation & doc regarding website redesign"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; NEW;
quantumsummers@g.o:pr@g.o
(05/17/2009 03:19:25 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ready for this?
(05/17/2009 03:19:35 PM) fmccor: Go
(05/17/2009 03:19:51 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: as part of the KMS sys I have
created a design that could be used for the main site
(05/17/2009 03:20:15 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: its slighty based on the
previous design
(05/17/2009 03:20:43 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I would like to leave that bug
open for now, & I will post a screenshot next week or so
(05/17/2009 03:20:54 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok
(05/17/2009 03:21:03 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: no one has posted there in some
time, hopefully this will spark some comments
(05/17/2009 03:21:14 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: & I hope it doesn't suck ;) )
(05/17/2009 03:21:24 PM) fmccor: OK.
(05/17/2009 03:21:35 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: anyway, coming along 
(05/17/2009 03:21:43 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: that's it for now
(05/17/2009 03:21:59 PM) fmccor: Bug #254588
(05/17/2009 03:22:01 PM) Willikins: https://bugs.gentoo.org/254588 "Possible
confusion over use of the Gentoo Penguin (Quicktime Penguin) Logo";
Documentation, Other documents; NEW; fmccor@g.o:trustees@g.o
(05/17/2009 03:22:16 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: can be closed
(05/17/2009 03:22:28 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: using the linux penguin now
(05/17/2009 03:22:33 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok
(05/17/2009 03:22:44 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I am not sure I have seen it on
the site though
(05/17/2009 03:22:47 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: anyone?
(05/17/2009 03:23:18 PM) robbat2: quantumsummers, the existing one is in the
news
(05/17/2009 03:23:22 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: hmm, old one is still on the
main page
(05/17/2009 03:23:37 PM) fmccor: Haven't noticed.  I just closed the bug --- do
you want it repoened?
(05/17/2009 03:23:41 PM) robbat2: anybody got a link to the apple one that we
might infringe on?
(05/17/2009 03:23:54 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair:
http://www.gentoo.org/images/icon-penguin.png
(05/17/2009 03:24:01 PM) robbat2: i mean to the apple one
(05/17/2009 03:24:02 PM) robbat2: not ours
(05/17/2009 03:24:09 PM) robbat2: unless we're just using it directly from them?
(05/17/2009 03:24:32 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ah, there was a link somewhere.
I'll try to find it
(05/17/2009 03:25:09 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, please repoen the bug if "can
be closed" was premature. :)
(05/17/2009 03:25:36 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, Or I can if you like.
(05/17/2009 03:25:40 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok. not sure why that wasn't
put on the web
(05/17/2009 03:26:08 PM) NeddySeagoon: keep the bug until the web site is fixed
(05/17/2009 03:27:08 PM) NeddySeagoon: next ?
(05/17/2009 03:27:09 PM) robbat2: we're slowing down here, and there's still
lots of items to finish
(05/17/2009 03:27:18 PM) robbat2: bug 255274
(05/17/2009 03:27:21 PM) Willikins: robbat2:
https://bugs.gentoo.org/255274 "Funding request: SATA HDD for SuperH
development board"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; RESO, FIXE;
armin76@g.o:trustees@g.o
(05/17/2009 03:27:27 PM) robbat2: tsunam just needs to give armin76 the money
(05/17/2009 03:27:46 PM) robbat2: was approved already, just previously held up
by paypal
(05/17/2009 03:27:55 PM) NeddySeagoon: robbat2, I think thats done ... I saw the
paypal email, so it can be closed
(05/17/2009 03:28:10 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yes
(05/17/2009 03:28:24 PM) robbat2: ok, spotted it in my mail too, closing
(05/17/2009 03:28:28 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: bug 256441
(05/17/2009 03:28:30 PM) Willikins: quantumsummers:
https://bugs.gentoo.org/256441 "gentoo-foundation-announce@l.g.o
mailing list for official Foundation correspondence."; Gentoo Infrastructure,
Mailing Lists; RESO, FIXE; fmccor@g.o:infra-bugs@g.o
(05/17/2009 03:29:04 PM) robbat2: "Did we update the senders/moderators"
(05/17/2009 03:29:07 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I think this is mostly in shape
too, though I am uncertain about the moderators
(05/17/2009 03:29:07 PM) robbat2: says the agenda
(05/17/2009 03:29:20 PM) robbat2: one sec, i'll report on them
(05/17/2009 03:29:21 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: the senders are the board
(05/17/2009 03:29:26 PM) NeddySeagoon: I cheated.  Did we update the
senders/moderators after the trustee election ?
(05/17/2009 03:29:37 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: the mods should be the same as
the board
(05/17/2009 03:30:07 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: maybe want to include tanderson
since he is gonna help out right :D
(05/17/2009 03:30:11 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, yeah =
senders=moderators=board
(05/17/2009 03:30:28 PM) robbat2: ok, it's updated now
(05/17/2009 03:30:35 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: thanks robbat2
(05/17/2009 03:30:37 PM) robbat2: all 5 trustees are senders+moderators
(05/17/2009 03:30:39 PM) NeddySeagoon: robbat2, thanks
(05/17/2009 03:30:50 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: bug 261785
(05/17/2009 03:30:53 PM) Willikins: https://bugs.gentoo.org/261785 "transfer
gentoo.be from Sejo to the Gentoo Foundation, Inc."; Gentoo Infrastructure,
Other; ASSI; quantumsummers@g.o:infra-bugs@g.o
(05/17/2009 03:30:53 PM) NeddySeagoon: close the bug
(05/17/2009 03:30:57 PM) robbat2: changes: dmwaters removed from both, and
quantumsummers added to moderators
(05/17/2009 03:31:08 PM) NeddySeagoon: robbat2, thanks
(05/17/2009 03:31:09 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: perfect
(05/17/2009 03:31:12 PM) tanderson: quantumsummers: can't I just send to it and
have it approved? I don't need power for what I do I don't think
(05/17/2009 03:31:34 PM) robbat2: i'll update the domain bug, it was mine
(05/17/2009 03:31:37 PM) NeddySeagoon: I think "transfer gentoo.be from Sejo to
the Gentoo Foundation, Inc." happened
(05/17/2009 03:31:42 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yes it did
(05/17/2009 03:31:51 PM) robbat2: i processed it, it's done, was on my credit
card
(05/17/2009 03:31:53 PM) fmccor: tanderson, not unless you are on the sender
list.  This came up during the election.
(05/17/2009 03:32:05 PM) robbat2: is fully integrated to our ultraDNS system
(05/17/2009 03:32:16 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: robbat2: have you been
reimbursed for the expense?
(05/17/2009 03:32:21 PM) NeddySeagoon: robbat2, did you get reimbursed ?
(05/17/2009 03:32:42 PM) robbat2: i didn't bother to submit it before, i will if
you want me to
(05/17/2009 03:32:55 PM) tanderson: fmccor: ok
(05/17/2009 03:33:06 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: up to you, prob a good idea.
you have the receipt I imagine
(05/17/2009 03:33:12 PM) NeddySeagoon: robbat2, your call - Its a Foundation
expense but donations are always welcome
(05/17/2009 03:33:24 PM) fmccor: tanderson, Me, I don't care.  Fight with the
others. :)
(05/17/2009 03:33:47 PM) tanderson: fmccor: I don't care either, quantumsummers
can argue
(05/17/2009 03:34:12 PM) ***quantumsummers|Corsair removed occam's razor from
handy belt pouch
(05/17/2009 03:34:25 PM) fmccor: tanderson, what the election officials was send
mail to trustees@ who would send it on and approve their own mail.
(05/17/2009 03:34:39 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: tanderson: you can just send it
to the trustees alias
(05/17/2009 03:34:46 PM) tanderson: Then I can live with that as well
(05/17/2009 03:34:47 PM) NeddySeagoon: bug 262356
(05/17/2009 03:34:49 PM) Willikins: NeddySeagoon:
https://bugs.gentoo.org/262356 "Gentoo not allowed to receive money via Paypal
anymore"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; VERI, FIXE; neysx@g.o:trustees@g.o
(05/17/2009 03:34:55 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: close this bug
(05/17/2009 03:34:58 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: done
(05/17/2009 03:35:01 PM) NeddySeagoon: Thats fixed - so the bug can get closed
(05/17/2009 03:35:03 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: fiX0rd
(05/17/2009 03:35:15 PM) NeddySeagoon: bug 264682 
(05/17/2009 03:35:17 PM) Willikins: NeddySeagoon:
https://bugs.gentoo.org/264682 "www.linuxcenter.kz wish to be our vendors in
Kazakhstan"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; NEW; fmccor@g.o:trustees@g.o
(05/17/2009 03:35:23 PM) fmccor: That's mine.
(05/17/2009 03:35:43 PM) fmccor: I'll comment on the bug in a bit, but here's
the status as to date.
(05/17/2009 03:36:09 PM) fmccor: Lawyers gave a conditional OK, depending on
whether the web site looked real or not.
(05/17/2009 03:36:36 PM) fmccor: klieber's wife knows Russian and so far as she
can tell, they're legitimate.
(05/17/2009 03:37:03 PM) NeddySeagoon: what about protecting our mark in
Kazakhstan?
(05/17/2009 03:37:46 PM) fmccor: They did not comment on that.  I told them the
site looked real but have not heard back.
(05/17/2009 03:38:19 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, ok, held over  until we know how
our trademark will be protected
(05/17/2009 03:38:48 PM) NeddySeagoon: 5. New Licence Applications
(05/17/2009 03:38:57 PM) fmccor: I'll nudge the lawyer involved a bit.  I can't
push too hard since we are not actually paying them.
(05/17/2009 03:38:58 PM) NeddySeagoon: Licencing For Techiant LLC
(05/17/2009 03:39:07 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, ok
(05/17/2009 03:39:34 PM) NeddySeagoon: I vote we go with the offer from 
Techiant LLC as per the email
(05/17/2009 03:40:07 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: Techiant: can we get a printed
+ signed copy of your proposal for our records?
(05/17/2009 03:40:23 PM) Techiant: Sure, if you could email me the address.
(05/17/2009 03:40:29 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I second NeddySeagoon'S motion
(05/17/2009 03:40:43 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, why not a digitally
signed email ? 
fmccor fmccor|away 
(05/17/2009 03:40:54 PM) Techiant: can do
(05/17/2009 03:41:11 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: fmccor is that sufficient, a
dig signed mail?
(05/17/2009 03:41:13 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, robbat2 ?  ^^
(05/17/2009 03:41:26 PM) Techiant: how about scanned pdf?
(05/17/2009 03:41:32 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: its fine with me
(05/17/2009 03:41:36 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, people lose stuff on
paper
(05/17/2009 03:41:42 PM) robbat2: scan the pdf and gpg sign it :-)
(05/17/2009 03:41:49 PM) robbat2: err, scan to pdf
(05/17/2009 03:41:50 PM) NeddySeagoon: heh
(05/17/2009 03:41:51 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: NeddySeagoon: I would digitize
it, of course
(05/17/2009 03:42:02 PM) Techiant: :)
(05/17/2009 03:42:04 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, it's fine with me.
(05/17/2009 03:42:08 PM) Techiant: I'll give you a good copy
(05/17/2009 03:42:16 PM) robbat2: signing it both ways covers us in all cases
(05/17/2009 03:42:25 PM) NeddySeagoon: we have two votes in favour ...
(05/17/2009 03:42:29 PM) fmccor: yes
(05/17/2009 03:42:31 PM) robbat2: aye from me
(05/17/2009 03:42:37 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yes
(05/17/2009 03:42:38 PM) NeddySeagoon: carried
(05/17/2009 03:42:40 PM) Techiant: Thanks you
(05/17/2009 03:43:00 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: Techiant: thank you, will you
send us an email when you are ready to sell them?
(05/17/2009 03:43:06 PM) comprookie2000: Techiant, Aluminum and domed?
(05/17/2009 03:43:13 PM) NeddySeagoon: Techiant, you are in business with your
badges.  Other items need other approvals.  Good luck
(05/17/2009 03:43:21 PM) ***quantumsummers|Corsair wants a few :)
(05/17/2009 03:43:39 PM) Techiant: Domed, flat vinyl (notebook style0, mirror
gold/silver brushed gold/silver. No aluminum
(05/17/2009 03:43:42 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: still looking for a vendor to
make the belt buckles though
(05/17/2009 03:43:49 PM) NeddySeagoon: Use Logo in the Gentoo Package Manager
Specification
(05/17/2009 03:44:11 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: NeddySeagoon: so you have a
link to something describing what that is all about?
(05/17/2009 03:44:45 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: this is a document, correct?
(05/17/2009 03:44:50 PM) fmccor: Yes.
(05/17/2009 03:44:57 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, its in your trustees@
email.  USe of the G logo in a create commons document
(05/17/2009 03:45:04 PM) Techiant: are we good with flat notebook stickers, or
what would be a procedure for approving new designs/products?
(05/17/2009 03:45:27 PM) NeddySeagoon: Techiant, were they in your email ?
(05/17/2009 03:45:58 PM) NeddySeagoon: and your link
(05/17/2009 03:46:34 PM) Techiant: There were a few objections in the previous
chat re; other products, I think
(05/17/2009 03:47:29 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: Techiant: the laptop sticker is
like the vista sticker on new PCs right, 1 inch x 3/4/ inch or so?
(05/17/2009 03:47:31 PM) NeddySeagoon: Techiant, If they were in your link in
your original email, they are covered. You may not add new products without a
new application
(05/17/2009 03:47:55 PM) Techiant: I proposed other products we can make in
email as "can be pre-approved with Gentoo Foundation" but not sure what the
procedure will be
(05/17/2009 03:48:08 PM) Techiant: quantumsummers: yes
(05/17/2009 03:49:06 PM) Techiant: NeddySeagoon: I see, badges onlythis time. I
will submit new application when we finalized which products we are going to do
(05/17/2009 03:50:01 PM) robbat2: err, i'd take the vista-sticker-like to be
case badges as well, just flat ones
(05/17/2009 03:50:09 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: same here
(05/17/2009 03:50:12 PM) comprookie2000: laptop sleeves have been asked for
(05/17/2009 03:50:12 PM) NeddySeagoon: robbat2, me too
(05/17/2009 03:50:28 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: comprookie2000: I like that
idea
(05/17/2009 03:51:10 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: Techiant: so you are good with
the case badges, both the domed & flat ones
(05/17/2009 03:51:11 PM) NeddySeagoon: We need to see designs ... blanket
approval for anything is too close to public domain for my liking
(05/17/2009 03:51:18 PM) Techiant: so can we agree that case badges include:
domed or undomed, PC or laptop logo stickers?
(05/17/2009 03:51:37 PM) NeddySeagoon: Techiant, I'm happy with that
(05/17/2009 03:52:09 PM) Techiant: great. I will submit other stuff (usb jump
drive, laptop skins next time
(05/17/2009 03:52:10 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: Techiant: if you are unsure at
any point just send us an email & we will respond promptly
(05/17/2009 03:52:23 PM) Techiant: will do. thanks guys
(05/17/2009 03:52:51 PM) Techiant: and I will await for emal re: gentoo store
linking. Will also email signed PDF
(05/17/2009 03:53:41 PM) NeddySeagoon: Techiant, the link on gentoo.org is
something we need to discuss for all licenced vendors
(05/17/2009 03:54:12 PM) NeddySeagoon: The email about our logo in the PMS was
message ID <20090416074036.25ed88dc@×××××.solaris>
(05/17/2009 03:54:30 PM) NeddySeagoon: on 2009.04.16 06:40
(05/17/2009 03:55:17 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I found it, thanks
(05/17/2009 03:55:19 PM) robbat2: Gentoo logo on PMS CC doc - aye from me with
the trademark text as proposed in the mail
(05/17/2009 03:55:33 PM) fmccor: Fine with me.
(05/17/2009 03:55:42 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: me too, yes
(05/17/2009 03:56:40 PM) NeddySeagoon: I'm ok with it as long as derived works
must have the logo removed
(05/17/2009 03:58:10 PM) fmccor: Right.  Motion?
(05/17/2009 03:58:27 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: motion to allow logo in PMS
(05/17/2009 03:58:33 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: with the following wording
(05/17/2009 03:58:34 PM) NeddySeagoon: seconeded
(05/17/2009 03:58:41 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: wait a sec..
(05/17/2009 03:58:45 PM) NeddySeagoon: :)
(05/17/2009 03:59:57 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: "Gentoo and the Gentoo logo are
a trademark of the Gentoo Foundation (/link/) and are used in this document
with permission. All derived works must remove the logo or request permission
from Gentoo Foundation, Inc."
(05/17/2009 04:00:22 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: something like that sound ok?
(05/17/2009 04:00:27 PM) fmccor: Yes.
(05/17/2009 04:00:35 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: well that's the motion then :)
(05/17/2009 04:00:45 PM) NeddySeagoon: Can we say that in a CC document ?
(05/17/2009 04:01:06 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: the text content is CC, not the
logo
(05/17/2009 04:01:14 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok
(05/17/2009 04:01:20 PM) NeddySeagoon: Seconded
(05/17/2009 04:01:26 PM) fmccor: Yes.
(05/17/2009 04:01:31 PM) NeddySeagoon: yes
(05/17/2009 04:01:42 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, robbat2 ?
(05/17/2009 04:01:46 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: yes
(05/17/2009 04:01:54 PM) robbat2: aye
(05/17/2009 04:01:59 PM) NeddySeagoon: carried
(05/17/2009 04:02:26 PM) NeddySeagoon: 6. The Year Ahead  ... lets hold that
over to next meeing
(05/17/2009 04:02:32 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok
(05/17/2009 04:02:36 PM) fmccor: Please.
(05/17/2009 04:02:39 PM) NeddySeagoon: 7 Meeting Calander
(05/17/2009 04:02:40 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: :)
(05/17/2009 04:03:38 PM) NeddySeagoon: I proposed  the first Sunday after the
first council meeting of the month, so DoNM is 14 June.  Is everyone OK with
the other dates ?
(05/17/2009 04:04:04 PM) fmccor: Should be.  That's too far ahead to know. :)
(05/17/2009 04:04:05 PM) NeddySeagoon: The first council meeting being on the
second Thursday
(05/17/2009 04:04:36 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: 12 july, 16 aug, 13 sept
(05/17/2009 04:04:45 PM) NeddySeagoon: I propose the dates are adopted - we can
change them as needed
(05/17/2009 04:04:50 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: second
(05/17/2009 04:04:58 PM) fmccor: 16 Aug --- my birthday. :)
(05/17/2009 04:05:04 PM) fmccor: Yes.
(05/17/2009 04:05:05 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: heeeeeyyyy
(05/17/2009 04:05:33 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: ok, so we're set on the
meetings then
(05/17/2009 04:05:47 PM) robbat2: aye
(05/17/2009 04:06:33 PM) NeddySeagoon: yep.  I gave dates up to April 11, when
we should have three newly elected trustees.
(05/17/2009 04:06:57 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: :)
(05/17/2009 04:07:20 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, you  want to move that a week ?
(05/17/2009 04:07:27 PM) fmccor: No.
(05/17/2009 04:07:48 PM) fmccor: I think we met on your birthday?
(05/17/2009 04:07:55 PM) NeddySeagoon: thanks.  I move that the meeting calendar
as posted is adopted
(05/17/2009 04:08:04 PM) fmccor: second
(05/17/2009 04:08:04 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, yep, we did
(05/17/2009 04:08:20 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I'm good with the meeting sched
(05/17/2009 04:08:20 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, robbat2 ?
(05/17/2009 04:08:23 PM) fmccor: And vote yes.
(05/17/2009 04:08:27 PM) NeddySeagoon: yes
(05/17/2009 04:08:29 PM) robbat2: I voted yes already
(05/17/2009 04:08:43 PM) NeddySeagoon: ok, carried
(05/17/2009 04:08:48 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: no new membership applications
this month
(05/17/2009 04:08:57 PM) NeddySeagoon: correct
(05/17/2009 04:09:13 PM) NeddySeagoon: Date of Next Meeting - 14th June 2009 -
we have just agreed
(05/17/2009 04:09:13 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: :(
(05/17/2009 04:09:29 PM) NeddySeagoon: 10 Any other business
(05/17/2009 04:09:34 PM) NeddySeagoon: robbat2,  ?
(05/17/2009 04:10:01 PM) robbat2: nil from me at this point, i can't do it with
tsunam
(05/17/2009 04:10:13 PM) fmccor: ?
(05/17/2009 04:10:14 PM) NeddySeagoon: quantumsummers, ?
(05/17/2009 04:10:22 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: I'm good, thanks
(05/17/2009 04:10:27 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, ?
(05/17/2009 04:10:32 PM) fmccor: Very brief.
(05/17/2009 04:10:43 PM) ***quantumsummers|Corsair will not ask what robbat2
can't do with tsunam :D
(05/17/2009 04:11:15 PM) fmccor: As per my email, I intend to send out bylaws as
pdf to our agent (to satisfy a legal requirement) unless someone else has
already done so.
(05/17/2009 04:11:31 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: go for it sir
(05/17/2009 04:11:32 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, thats fine by me
fmccor fmccor|away 
(05/17/2009 04:11:56 PM) robbat2: +1 from me
(05/17/2009 04:11:56 PM) fmccor: We should probably send him an updated trustee
list as wel, in case he needs it for something.
(05/17/2009 04:12:07 PM) fmccor: ^well^
(05/17/2009 04:12:13 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: fmccor does this satisfy the
state of NM re our nfp status for 2--9?
(05/17/2009 04:12:27 PM) NeddySeagoon: fmccor, its on one of the incorporation
forms ... do we have to change that ?
(05/17/2009 04:12:47 PM) fmccor: No.
(05/17/2009 04:13:06 PM) NeddySeagoon: good, because that would cost
(05/17/2009 04:13:27 PM) fmccor: quantumsummers, There is a requirement that our
agent have our bylaws on hand in case anyone walks in and wants to see them.
(05/17/2009 04:13:43 PM) NeddySeagoon: I only have one item. tsunam sent his
apologies ... did that get noted before I joined ? 
(05/17/2009 04:13:52 PM) fmccor: Yes.
(05/17/2009 04:14:01 PM) NeddySeagoon: I'm done
(05/17/2009 04:14:12 PM) NeddySeagoon: Open Floor
(05/17/2009 04:15:00 PM) quantumsummers|Corsair: anyone have business?
(05/17/2009 04:15:19 PM) NeddySeagoon: Meeting Closed