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18:55 * NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel to open the meeting |
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18:55 <@NeddySeagoon> Roll call |
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18:55 * quantumsummers_ is present |
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18:55 <@dabbott> here |
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18:55 <@NeddySeagoon> bloodnoc, is here, so I'm logging |
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18:56 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2 tsunam_ ? |
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18:56 <@robbat2> pong |
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18:56 <@NeddySeagoon> Four - thats a full house for today |
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18:56 <@quantumsummers_> nice |
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18:56 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 3 Old Business |
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18:57 <@NeddySeagoon> Registration New Mexico |
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18:57 <@quantumsummers_> all done and up to date |
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18:57 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam_, posted the paperwork and we have been renewed |
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18:58 <@NeddySeagoon> miranda.dev.gentoo.org funding ... We have a new donor do we still need this ? |
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18:58 <@robbat2> dropping it for now, we picked up a somewhat lesser box at a new sponsor |
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18:58 <@robbat2> and it's getting setup |
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18:58 <@NeddySeagoon> ok - is the miranda workload being spread around ? |
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18:59 <@dabbott> great I will remove it for dec |
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18:59 <@robbat2> yup, hopefully to two boxes |
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18:59 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, does that mean we have nothing at GNI any more ? |
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18:59 <@robbat2> specifically, to kookaburra.g.o and vulture.g.o (previously the GSoC box) |
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18:59 <@robbat2> there's still two boxes running there, but only because they haven't turned the lights off yet |
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19:00 <@robbat2> no essential services remain on them |
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19:00 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, should we write to them and tell them ? and drop their ad at the same time? |
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19:00 <@robbat2> i've tried to contact them, but been unsuccessful |
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19:01 <@NeddySeagoon> Does anyone in infra still work there ? |
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19:01 <@robbat2> nobody |
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19:01 <@robbat2> and they've retained none of the old GNi people that I was in contact with |
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19:01 <@NeddySeagoon> Just run shutdown -h now :) |
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19:01 <@quantumsummers_> should we power them down? |
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19:02 <@robbat2> when it's more final, i'll zero the disks on my way out of them |
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19:02 <@quantumsummers_> we do not need them sending us an invoice |
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19:02 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, sounds like a plan |
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19:02 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers - your bit SFLC Questions (Software Freedom Law Center) |
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19:03 <@quantumsummers_> ok, most of what I had to say was in the email |
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19:03 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_ ok - can you post a link for posterity please |
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19:03 <@quantumsummers_> the contributor agreement is in the works, I should be able to finish it on Monday |
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19:04 <@quantumsummers_> I can recount the important bits here, it was not a public email |
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19:04 <@NeddySeagoon> please |
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19:05 <@quantumsummers_> so the libbash bit, that will require a contributor agreement. |
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19:05 <@quantumsummers_> I have started an adaptation of the apache foundation version, also used by django foundation and others. |
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19:06 <@quantumsummers_> Its a good one, sflc approved in general. Once I have the draft complete I will send it off to them for comments, but I do not expect much as its fairly standard |
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19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> IS that much work - remove apache, put back Gentoo ... or is it more ? |
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19:07 <@quantumsummers_> pretty much find & replace, some language needs changing for the license change from Apache to gplv2 |
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19:07 <@NeddySeagoon> ok |
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19:07 <@quantumsummers_> I have a good idea what to do there, its not a big deal |
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19:07 <@quantumsummers_> should take <20mins |
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19:07 <@NeddySeagoon> Open Invention Network ... |
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19:08 <@quantumsummers_> OIN, I think this is still the same situation as before. Its mostly political. That said, I see no harm in joining or not joining. |
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19:08 <@quantumsummers_> as far as I can see, the sflc has not completed their exposition for OIN, so nothing new their ether |
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19:08 <@quantumsummers_> its an interesting development with the upcoming sale of Novel |
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19:09 <@NeddySeagoon> I know most of us are ambivalent on this but I think its worth a vote. I'm slightly in favour of a strong FOSS (anti) patents organistaion |
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19:09 <@NeddySeagoon> Mozilla have joined |
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19:09 <@quantumsummers_> shall we have a motion to join? |
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19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> yes please |
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19:10 <@dabbott> Motion: Join Open Invention Network |
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19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> seconded |
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19:10 <@quantumsummers_> Please vote |
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19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> as a licencee |
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19:11 <@NeddySeagoon> ... yes |
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19:11 <@dabbott> I see no harm, yes for me |
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19:11 <@quantumsummers_> I vote to join as a licensee. |
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19:11 <@robbat2> aye |
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19:11 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2: thoughts? |
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19:12 <@quantumsummers_> ok, motion passes. Who wishes to contact them? |
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19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, dabbott as a licencee ? |
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19:12 <@dabbott> yes |
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19:12 <@robbat2> yes |
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19:13 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll write to them - as long as my main box doesn't go down again |
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19:13 <@NeddySeagoon> Accountant Team Progress |
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19:14 <@quantumsummers_> Ok, NeddySeagoon, I still need to email them to let them know you will work with them on things |
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19:14 <@quantumsummers_> I have not had a chance to do it yet. On my Monday list |
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19:14 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, sooner rather than later, so they don't loose interest |
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19:15 <@quantumsummers_> I understand, and agree. |
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19:16 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2 DNS / BIND progress |
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19:17 <@robbat2> idl0r and I are working on it, just trying to figure out one thing re having a better audit trail at the moment, if that fails, we'll just use nsupdate directly, and have the same level of auditability as ultradns |
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19:17 <@robbat2> relatedly, can I have a hand with writing the letter to UltraDNS |
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19:17 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, you want to write and I'll review or the otherway around ? |
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19:18 <@robbat2> i'll write and you can edit+review |
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19:18 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, sure |
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19:18 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, Larry Graphics Contest Update |
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19:19 <@dabbott> We had 2 entries, both are graphic artists +1 |
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19:19 <@dabbott> The graphics needs to be redone or new created to be put on t-shirts to follow cafepress's way of doing it |
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19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, joint winners and two T-shirts ? |
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19:19 <@dabbott> The contest was for 3 and 3 t-shirts but now 2 and 3 shirts |
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19:20 <@NeddySeagoon> seems good |
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19:20 <@dabbott> Alex (a3li) is going to work with them in a few weeks once he finishes a project he is currently busy with. |
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19:20 <@dabbott> Both artists are willing to do what it takes to help out. |
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19:20 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm looking for some gear to wear to FOSDEM too |
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19:21 <@dabbott> Once we have their graphics on a shirt available on cafepress I told them we "Trustees" would honor the contest rules and gladly give them their 3 free t-shirts |
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19:21 <@quantumsummers_> should we have them do a contrib agreement? |
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19:21 <@dabbott> quantumsummers_: sure just let me know the details |
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19:21 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, I think that was part of the rules of the competion |
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19:21 <@dabbott> There is enough money currently in the cafepress account to cover this expense. |
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19:22 <@quantumsummers_> ok I think the lic would be creative commons, I can do that one when I do the gplv2 version |
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19:22 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, Did tsunam send you some cheques ? |
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19:22 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: yes I have checks |
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19:22 <@quantumsummers_> and cheques |
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19:22 <@NeddySeagoon> heh |
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19:22 <@dabbott> :) |
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19:23 <@NeddySeagoon> two nations divided by a common language :) |
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19:23 <@quantumsummers_> :) |
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19:23 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 4 Bugs |
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19:24 <@NeddySeagoon> Funding Request Jeremy Olexa |
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19:24 <@quantumsummers_> +1 from me |
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19:24 <@NeddySeagoon> The link is broken for me |
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19:24 <@robbat2> +1 from me, if he wants a bigger drive, the cost differential is tiny |
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19:25 <@quantumsummers_> yeah, I agree with robbat2, there are 1TB drives for $90 |
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19:25 <@robbat2> the cost on the drive he wanted has dropped to $34.99 now I see |
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19:25 <@NeddySeagoon> I've found the bug ... +1 from me |
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19:25 <@dabbott> +1 |
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19:26 <@NeddySeagoon> Approved. Do we want to reimbuse him or buy the drive and have it shipped to him |
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19:26 <@quantumsummers_> ok, so I will reimburse darkside1 when he provides a digital receipt. That work for everyone |
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19:26 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, yes |
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19:26 <@quantumsummers_> or I can buy it & have it shipped (reimburse myself) |
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19:26 <@quantumsummers_> either way is fine. |
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19:26 <@quantumsummers_> darkside1: what would you like to do? |
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19:26 <@robbat2> no objections to telling him to get a bigger one? |
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19:27 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, talk to darkside1, agree between yourselves |
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19:27 <@robbat2> he's not around that much on weekends |
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19:27 <@dabbott> do we need a motion? |
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19:27 <@quantumsummers_> ok. a bigger one is fine. |
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19:27 <@quantumsummers_> just lets spend less than $100 |
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19:27 <@NeddySeagoon> A bigger one is ok by me. You get a lot of code ona 1Tb drive |
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19:27 <@quantumsummers_> dabbott I think we are fine without a formal motion |
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19:28 <@dabbott> ok |
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19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> agreed to $100 limit |
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19:28 <@robbat2> the 1TB version of what he wanted is $49.99 right now |
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19:28 <@robbat2> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148433 |
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19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> he could just about get a raid1 set for $100 then :) |
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19:29 <@quantumsummers_> ok, so lets just give him a budget of $100 and let him figure it out. Sound ok? |
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19:29 <@robbat2> sure |
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19:29 <@dabbott> yes |
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19:29 <@NeddySeagoon> yes |
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19:29 <@NeddySeagoon> carried |
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19:30 <@quantumsummers_> ok, I'll email him here in a sec (CC trustees@) |
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19:30 <@robbat2> next bug was corrections to corp filing |
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19:30 <@NeddySeagoon> Corrections to corporation filing Bug 296766 - this can progress now we are otherwise up to date with NM |
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19:30 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296766 "Corrections to corporation filing needed as of 2009/12/13"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; ASSI; robbat2@g.o:trustees@g.o |
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19:31 <@NeddySeagoon> I haven't heard from tsunam - can anyone else do this ? |
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19:33 <@quantumsummers_> was this not updated with our last filing? |
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19:34 <@NeddySeagoon> No. Its two separate filings |
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19:34 <@dabbott> I don't know the procedure, does the agent contact NMPRC |
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19:35 <@quantumsummers_> Ok, I'll handle it. I should be able to do this. If I need Joshua's sig, I can mail it to him |
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19:35 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets check out tsunam. If he is back in December, he can do it then |
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19:35 <@quantumsummers_> I'll call the state of NM on Monday, see what we need to do. |
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19:36 <@quantumsummers_> no biggie |
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19:36 <@dabbott> thanks quantumsummers_ |
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19:36 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we want a new 'Contact outside NM' ? |
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19:36 * quantumsummers_ adds another to the Monday list :) |
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19:36 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: we should have one |
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19:36 * NeddySeagoon adds another Monday to quantumsummers_ week |
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19:36 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: if onlythat were possible |
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19:37 <@quantumsummers_> Further, I would be happy to put my business address on there |
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19:37 <@NeddySeagoon> I vote for an address in the USA - but you can use mine if you wish |
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19:37 <@dabbott> that would be good ^^^ |
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19:37 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, That would be good |
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19:37 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks |
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19:37 <@quantumsummers_> Ok. I will see what needs to be done there. |
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19:37 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, thank you |
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19:37 <@quantumsummers_> my pleasure |
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19:38 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 5 New Business Hardened Projects' Documentation |
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19:39 <@NeddySeagoon> whats the issue ? |
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19:39 <@quantumsummers_> ok, so there are some older docs that appear to have no license |
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19:39 <@quantumsummers_> we are updating the docs for the hardened proj |
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19:40 <@quantumsummers_> and we would like some guidance on how to proceed w.r.t. using potentially non-licensed content. |
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19:40 <@NeddySeagoon> We can't relicence studd without the copyright holders agreement - that would be everyone on the authors list |
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19:40 <@quantumsummers_> OR can we assume that since its no www.g.o that it is licensed under CC-SA |
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19:41 <@NeddySeagoon> studd -> stuff |
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19:41 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2 had some thoughts here, I think |
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19:41 <@dabbott> s/no/on |
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19:41 <@NeddySeagoon> There are various versions of CC-SA |
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19:42 <@robbat2> my thoughts were that the site already had a blanket CC-SA |
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19:42 <@quantumsummers_> ok, that is what I thought too. |
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19:42 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, was that in pace when the docs were published or does it post date the docs ... |
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19:42 <@robbat2> hmm, that's a good question |
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19:43 <@robbat2> one sec, seeing if I can dig up where |
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19:43 <@robbat2> *when |
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19:43 <@NeddySeagoon> If all the authors will respond to email, the cleanest way to to attempt contact with a proposal |
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19:44 <@quantumsummers_> some docs go back to 2005 |
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19:45 <@dabbott> did solar start the project? |
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19:46 <@robbat2> bug 212021 mentions some the issue too |
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19:46 < willikins> robbat2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/212021 "Consider switching to Creative Commons BY-SA 3.0"; Documentation, New Documentation; RESO, CANT; grahl@g.o:trustees@g.o |
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19:47 <@robbat2> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/gdp/doc/doc-policy.xml covers items done by GDP |
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19:47 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, that was to relicence under a later version of the CA licence |
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19:49 <@NeddySeagoon> Legal Issues. Every document published by the Gentoo Documentation Project must be licensed by the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. |
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19:49 <@NeddySeagoon> That can only apply from the time that phrase was added to the doc |
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19:49 <@robbat2> that phase is at least as old as: Thu Aug 26 16:16:04 2004 UTC |
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19:50 <@robbat2> the file was moved to that location then |
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19:50 <@quantumsummers_> in that case we are good afaict |
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19:50 <@robbat2> IFF the documents were by the GDP team |
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19:50 <@NeddySeagoon> So it clearly applies to docs dated after Aug 26 16:16:04 2004 UTC. |
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19:50 <@robbat2> quantumsummers_, which hardened files? |
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19:51 <@quantumsummers_> solar is an author on a bunch, and pappy too |
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19:51 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, ask them |
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19:51 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2: I'll have to put together a list of those in question |
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19:51 <@robbat2> etdyn.xml is dated aug 2003 |
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19:51 <@robbat2> so I need to go further back |
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19:52 <@NeddySeagoon> Can we take that outside the meeting please |
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19:52 <@robbat2> ok |
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19:52 <@quantumsummers_> ok, give me some time to get some info together |
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19:52 <@quantumsummers_> I have the guy working on it now |
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19:53 <@NeddySeagoon> Internship Confirmation |
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19:54 <@NeddySeagoon> Is this any different to dev certificate - but for a different role ? |
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19:55 <@quantumsummers_> hmm, there is paperwork to sign. |
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19:55 <@quantumsummers_> which I am happy doing. |
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19:55 <@quantumsummers_> also, iirc, the mentor will have to sign off |
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19:55 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, thanks ... do you need a third monday in your week? |
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19:56 <@dabbott> from his email; |
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19:56 <@quantumsummers_> perhaps :D |
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19:56 <@dabbott> I asked the person who handles internships on my university and a |
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19:56 <@dabbott> certificate (like the one you sent previously) and a internship log (in |
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19:56 <@dabbott> English, signed by Alex or Petteri) will be enough. |
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19:56 <@quantumsummers_> ah, great. |
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19:56 <@quantumsummers_> So, he needs a certificate of completion? |
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19:57 <@NeddySeagoon> That gets rid of the translation issue |
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19:57 <@quantumsummers_> I am thinking about writing a webapp that will let us auto-create these certs. |
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19:57 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, for one or two a year, is it worth the effor ? |
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19:57 <@quantumsummers_> should be easy enough with ... reportlab & python win1 |
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19:57 <@NeddySeagoon> +t |
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19:57 <@quantumsummers_> if its easy, then yes. :) |
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19:58 <@NeddySeagoon> heh |
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19:58 <@quantumsummers_> not a high priority |
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19:58 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon: he has alot of free time on Mondays :) |
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19:58 <@quantumsummers_> but, we could use it to give devs the ability to create their own certs with ldap data |
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19:58 <@NeddySeagoon> heh |
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19:58 <@quantumsummers_> iif robbat2 would let me access that data :P |
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19:59 <@NeddySeagoon> No SW design during meetings :) |
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19:59 <@quantumsummers_> anyway, could be a fun little side pri=oj |
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19:59 <@robbat2> the public fraction of the data is all in userinfo.xml |
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19:59 <@quantumsummers_> err, proj ... yeah. please proceed |
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19:59 <@robbat2> RESO OFFTOPIC |
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19:59 <@NeddySeagoon> heh |
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20:00 <@robbat2> so quantumsummers_ is handling that |
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20:00 <@robbat2> next we have membership applications |
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20:00 <@quantumsummers_> +1 to the new devs |
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20:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Membership Applications Eray Aslan and Matt Turner. These were voted on the ml but my main box died, so I didn;t write the emails nor fix the ACL here |
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20:01 <@robbat2> aye for both of them |
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20:01 <@dabbott> yes to both |
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20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> yes |
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20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll write the emails now by system is up. |
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20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 8 Date of Next Meeting - 19th Dec 2010 19:00 UTC |
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20:02 <@quantumsummers_> sorry to say, but that is not going to work as I had hoped |
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20:02 <@quantumsummers_> for me anyway |
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20:02 <@quantumsummers_> how about the week prior? |
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20:02 <@dabbott> fine here |
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20:03 <@robbat2> checking my cal |
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20:03 <@dabbott> 12 |
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20:03 <@NeddySeagoon> 12th Dec? Thats the day after my wedding anaversary ... it will probably be ok |
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20:03 <@quantumsummers_> during the week would be fine too, for me anyway |
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20:03 <@robbat2> fine for me on the 12th |
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20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets make it 12 Dec at the usual time |
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20:04 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: that sounds like it may be trouble :D |
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20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, after 32 years, as long as I remember, I'll be ok :) |
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20:04 <@dabbott> heh |
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20:05 <@quantumsummers_> :) congrats sir, quite an accomplishment |
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20:05 <@robbat2> remembering is what the calendar is for ;-) |
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20:05 <@robbat2> congrats for so many years |
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20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, thanks - its been hard work at times but worth it |
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20:05 <@quantumsummers_> I'm working on 5 years, and its been a ton of work. I would like to think it gets easier, but my optimism fails there. ;) |
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20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 9 Any other business ... |
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20:06 <@quantumsummers_> none from me, ah ha! |
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20:06 <@robbat2> none from me |
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20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> I have 1 item |
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20:06 <@dabbott> go ahead none here |
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20:07 <@NeddySeagoon> The recording date for next years trustee elections. I propose the close of our Jan 2011 meeting. |
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20:07 <@quantumsummers_> +1 |
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20:07 <@robbat2> +1 |
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20:07 <@dabbott> yes |
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20:07 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried |
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20:07 <@quantumsummers_> hard to believe its been 2 years already |
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20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, its retire by rotaion mind - so we have continuity |
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20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda item 10 Responsibilities |
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20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll post the log, write to OIN and our new members |
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20:08 <@dabbott> I will do the motions |
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20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, that leaves you fixing NM |
295 |
20:09 <@robbat2> quantumsummers_, if you can identify the hardened docs that need license stuff, i can help you with that |
296 |
20:09 <@robbat2> i've got DNS and the miranda replacement |
297 |
20:09 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: yessir |
298 |
20:09 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2: working on it now |
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20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 11 - Open Floor |
300 |
20:11 * NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel to close the meeting |
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plain: http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo/xml/htdocs/foundation/en/minutes/2010/20101128_trustees_meeting_log.txt?rev=1.1&content-type=text/plain |
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18:55 * NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel to open the meeting |
312 |
18:55 <@NeddySeagoon> Roll call |
313 |
18:55 * quantumsummers_ is present |
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18:55 <@dabbott> here |
315 |
18:55 <@NeddySeagoon> bloodnoc, is here, so I'm logging |
316 |
18:56 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2 tsunam_ ? |
317 |
18:56 <@robbat2> pong |
318 |
18:56 <@NeddySeagoon> Four - thats a full house for today |
319 |
18:56 <@quantumsummers_> nice |
320 |
18:56 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 3 Old Business |
321 |
18:57 <@NeddySeagoon> Registration New Mexico |
322 |
18:57 <@quantumsummers_> all done and up to date |
323 |
18:57 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam_, posted the paperwork and we have been renewed |
324 |
18:58 <@NeddySeagoon> miranda.dev.gentoo.org funding ... We have a new donor do we still need this ? |
325 |
18:58 <@robbat2> dropping it for now, we picked up a somewhat lesser box at a new sponsor |
326 |
18:58 <@robbat2> and it's getting setup |
327 |
18:58 <@NeddySeagoon> ok - is the miranda workload being spread around ? |
328 |
18:59 <@dabbott> great I will remove it for dec |
329 |
18:59 <@robbat2> yup, hopefully to two boxes |
330 |
18:59 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, does that mean we have nothing at GNI any more ? |
331 |
18:59 <@robbat2> specifically, to kookaburra.g.o and vulture.g.o (previously the GSoC box) |
332 |
18:59 <@robbat2> there's still two boxes running there, but only because they haven't turned the lights off yet |
333 |
19:00 <@robbat2> no essential services remain on them |
334 |
19:00 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, should we write to them and tell them ? and drop their ad at the same time? |
335 |
19:00 <@robbat2> i've tried to contact them, but been unsuccessful |
336 |
19:01 <@NeddySeagoon> Does anyone in infra still work there ? |
337 |
19:01 <@robbat2> nobody |
338 |
19:01 <@robbat2> and they've retained none of the old GNi people that I was in contact with |
339 |
19:01 <@NeddySeagoon> Just run shutdown -h now :) |
340 |
19:01 <@quantumsummers_> should we power them down? |
341 |
19:02 <@robbat2> when it's more final, i'll zero the disks on my way out of them |
342 |
19:02 <@quantumsummers_> we do not need them sending us an invoice |
343 |
19:02 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, sounds like a plan |
344 |
19:02 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers - your bit SFLC Questions (Software Freedom Law Center) |
345 |
19:03 <@quantumsummers_> ok, most of what I had to say was in the email |
346 |
19:03 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_ ok - can you post a link for posterity please |
347 |
19:03 <@quantumsummers_> the contributor agreement is in the works, I should be able to finish it on Monday |
348 |
19:04 <@quantumsummers_> I can recount the important bits here, it was not a public email |
349 |
19:04 <@NeddySeagoon> please |
350 |
19:05 <@quantumsummers_> so the libbash bit, that will require a contributor agreement. |
351 |
19:05 <@quantumsummers_> I have started an adaptation of the apache foundation version, also used by django foundation and others. |
352 |
19:06 <@quantumsummers_> Its a good one, sflc approved in general. Once I have the draft complete I will send it off to them for comments, but I do not expect much as its fairly standard |
353 |
19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> IS that much work - remove apache, put back Gentoo ... or is it more ? |
354 |
19:07 <@quantumsummers_> pretty much find & replace, some language needs changing for the license change from Apache to gplv2 |
355 |
19:07 <@NeddySeagoon> ok |
356 |
19:07 <@quantumsummers_> I have a good idea what to do there, its not a big deal |
357 |
19:07 <@quantumsummers_> should take <20mins |
358 |
19:07 <@NeddySeagoon> Open Invention Network ... |
359 |
19:08 <@quantumsummers_> OIN, I think this is still the same situation as before. Its mostly political. That said, I see no harm in joining or not joining. |
360 |
19:08 <@quantumsummers_> as far as I can see, the sflc has not completed their exposition for OIN, so nothing new their ether |
361 |
19:08 <@quantumsummers_> its an interesting development with the upcoming sale of Novel |
362 |
19:09 <@NeddySeagoon> I know most of us are ambivalent on this but I think its worth a vote. I'm slightly in favour of a strong FOSS (anti) patents organistaion |
363 |
19:09 <@NeddySeagoon> Mozilla have joined |
364 |
19:09 <@quantumsummers_> shall we have a motion to join? |
365 |
19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> yes please |
366 |
19:10 <@dabbott> Motion: Join Open Invention Network |
367 |
19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> seconded |
368 |
19:10 <@quantumsummers_> Please vote |
369 |
19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> as a licencee |
370 |
19:11 <@NeddySeagoon> ... yes |
371 |
19:11 <@dabbott> I see no harm, yes for me |
372 |
19:11 <@quantumsummers_> I vote to join as a licensee. |
373 |
19:11 <@robbat2> aye |
374 |
19:11 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2: thoughts? |
375 |
19:12 <@quantumsummers_> ok, motion passes. Who wishes to contact them? |
376 |
19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, dabbott as a licencee ? |
377 |
19:12 <@dabbott> yes |
378 |
19:12 <@robbat2> yes |
379 |
19:13 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll write to them - as long as my main box doesn't go down again |
380 |
19:13 <@NeddySeagoon> Accountant Team Progress |
381 |
19:14 <@quantumsummers_> Ok, NeddySeagoon, I still need to email them to let them know you will work with them on things |
382 |
19:14 <@quantumsummers_> I have not had a chance to do it yet. On my Monday list |
383 |
19:14 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, sooner rather than later, so they don't loose interest |
384 |
19:15 <@quantumsummers_> I understand, and agree. |
385 |
19:16 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2 DNS / BIND progress |
386 |
19:17 <@robbat2> idl0r and I are working on it, just trying to figure out one thing re having a better audit trail at the moment, if that fails, we'll just use nsupdate directly, and have the same level of auditability as ultradns |
387 |
19:17 <@robbat2> relatedly, can I have a hand with writing the letter to UltraDNS |
388 |
19:17 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, you want to write and I'll review or the otherway around ? |
389 |
19:18 <@robbat2> i'll write and you can edit+review |
390 |
19:18 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, sure |
391 |
19:18 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, Larry Graphics Contest Update |
392 |
19:19 <@dabbott> We had 2 entries, both are graphic artists +1 |
393 |
19:19 <@dabbott> The graphics needs to be redone or new created to be put on t-shirts to follow cafepress's way of doing it |
394 |
19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, joint winners and two T-shirts ? |
395 |
19:19 <@dabbott> The contest was for 3 and 3 t-shirts but now 2 and 3 shirts |
396 |
19:20 <@NeddySeagoon> seems good |
397 |
19:20 <@dabbott> Alex (a3li) is going to work with them in a few weeks once he finishes a project he is currently busy with. |
398 |
19:20 <@dabbott> Both artists are willing to do what it takes to help out. |
399 |
19:20 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm looking for some gear to wear to FOSDEM too |
400 |
19:21 <@dabbott> Once we have their graphics on a shirt available on cafepress I told them we "Trustees" would honor the contest rules and gladly give them their 3 free t-shirts |
401 |
19:21 <@quantumsummers_> should we have them do a contrib agreement? |
402 |
19:21 <@dabbott> quantumsummers_: sure just let me know the details |
403 |
19:21 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, I think that was part of the rules of the competion |
404 |
19:21 <@dabbott> There is enough money currently in the cafepress account to cover this expense. |
405 |
19:22 <@quantumsummers_> ok I think the lic would be creative commons, I can do that one when I do the gplv2 version |
406 |
19:22 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, Did tsunam send you some cheques ? |
407 |
19:22 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: yes I have checks |
408 |
19:22 <@quantumsummers_> and cheques |
409 |
19:22 <@NeddySeagoon> heh |
410 |
19:22 <@dabbott> :) |
411 |
19:23 <@NeddySeagoon> two nations divided by a common language :) |
412 |
19:23 <@quantumsummers_> :) |
413 |
19:23 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 4 Bugs |
414 |
19:24 <@NeddySeagoon> Funding Request Jeremy Olexa |
415 |
19:24 <@quantumsummers_> +1 from me |
416 |
19:24 <@NeddySeagoon> The link is broken for me |
417 |
19:24 <@robbat2> +1 from me, if he wants a bigger drive, the cost differential is tiny |
418 |
19:25 <@quantumsummers_> yeah, I agree with robbat2, there are 1TB drives for $90 |
419 |
19:25 <@robbat2> the cost on the drive he wanted has dropped to $34.99 now I see |
420 |
19:25 <@NeddySeagoon> I've found the bug ... +1 from me |
421 |
19:25 <@dabbott> +1 |
422 |
19:26 <@NeddySeagoon> Approved. Do we want to reimbuse him or buy the drive and have it shipped to him |
423 |
19:26 <@quantumsummers_> ok, so I will reimburse darkside1 when he provides a digital receipt. That work for everyone |
424 |
19:26 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, yes |
425 |
19:26 <@quantumsummers_> or I can buy it & have it shipped (reimburse myself) |
426 |
19:26 <@quantumsummers_> either way is fine. |
427 |
19:26 <@quantumsummers_> darkside1: what would you like to do? |
428 |
19:26 <@robbat2> no objections to telling him to get a bigger one? |
429 |
19:27 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, talk to darkside1, agree between yourselves |
430 |
19:27 <@robbat2> he's not around that much on weekends |
431 |
19:27 <@dabbott> do we need a motion? |
432 |
19:27 <@quantumsummers_> ok. a bigger one is fine. |
433 |
19:27 <@quantumsummers_> just lets spend less than $100 |
434 |
19:27 <@NeddySeagoon> A bigger one is ok by me. You get a lot of code ona 1Tb drive |
435 |
19:27 <@quantumsummers_> dabbott I think we are fine without a formal motion |
436 |
19:28 <@dabbott> ok |
437 |
19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> agreed to $100 limit |
438 |
19:28 <@robbat2> the 1TB version of what he wanted is $49.99 right now |
439 |
19:28 <@robbat2> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148433 |
440 |
19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> he could just about get a raid1 set for $100 then :) |
441 |
19:29 <@quantumsummers_> ok, so lets just give him a budget of $100 and let him figure it out. Sound ok? |
442 |
19:29 <@robbat2> sure |
443 |
19:29 <@dabbott> yes |
444 |
19:29 <@NeddySeagoon> yes |
445 |
19:29 <@NeddySeagoon> carried |
446 |
19:30 <@quantumsummers_> ok, I'll email him here in a sec (CC trustees@) |
447 |
19:30 <@robbat2> next bug was corrections to corp filing |
448 |
19:30 <@NeddySeagoon> Corrections to corporation filing Bug 296766 - this can progress now we are otherwise up to date with NM |
449 |
19:30 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296766 "Corrections to corporation filing needed as of 2009/12/13"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; ASSI; robbat2@g.o:trustees@g.o |
450 |
19:31 <@NeddySeagoon> I haven't heard from tsunam - can anyone else do this ? |
451 |
19:33 <@quantumsummers_> was this not updated with our last filing? |
452 |
19:34 <@NeddySeagoon> No. Its two separate filings |
453 |
19:34 <@dabbott> I don't know the procedure, does the agent contact NMPRC |
454 |
19:35 <@quantumsummers_> Ok, I'll handle it. I should be able to do this. If I need Joshua's sig, I can mail it to him |
455 |
19:35 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets check out tsunam. If he is back in December, he can do it then |
456 |
19:35 <@quantumsummers_> I'll call the state of NM on Monday, see what we need to do. |
457 |
19:36 <@quantumsummers_> no biggie |
458 |
19:36 <@dabbott> thanks quantumsummers_ |
459 |
19:36 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we want a new 'Contact outside NM' ? |
460 |
19:36 * quantumsummers_ adds another to the Monday list :) |
461 |
19:36 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: we should have one |
462 |
19:36 * NeddySeagoon adds another Monday to quantumsummers_ week |
463 |
19:36 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: if onlythat were possible |
464 |
19:37 <@quantumsummers_> Further, I would be happy to put my business address on there |
465 |
19:37 <@NeddySeagoon> I vote for an address in the USA - but you can use mine if you wish |
466 |
19:37 <@dabbott> that would be good ^^^ |
467 |
19:37 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, That would be good |
468 |
19:37 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks |
469 |
19:37 <@quantumsummers_> Ok. I will see what needs to be done there. |
470 |
19:37 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, thank you |
471 |
19:37 <@quantumsummers_> my pleasure |
472 |
19:38 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 5 New Business Hardened Projects' Documentation |
473 |
19:39 <@NeddySeagoon> whats the issue ? |
474 |
19:39 <@quantumsummers_> ok, so there are some older docs that appear to have no license |
475 |
19:39 <@quantumsummers_> we are updating the docs for the hardened proj |
476 |
19:40 <@quantumsummers_> and we would like some guidance on how to proceed w.r.t. using potentially non-licensed content. |
477 |
19:40 <@NeddySeagoon> We can't relicence studd without the copyright holders agreement - that would be everyone on the authors list |
478 |
19:40 <@quantumsummers_> OR can we assume that since its no www.g.o that it is licensed under CC-SA |
479 |
19:41 <@NeddySeagoon> studd -> stuff |
480 |
19:41 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2 had some thoughts here, I think |
481 |
19:41 <@dabbott> s/no/on |
482 |
19:41 <@NeddySeagoon> There are various versions of CC-SA |
483 |
19:42 <@robbat2> my thoughts were that the site already had a blanket CC-SA |
484 |
19:42 <@quantumsummers_> ok, that is what I thought too. |
485 |
19:42 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, was that in pace when the docs were published or does it post date the docs ... |
486 |
19:42 <@robbat2> hmm, that's a good question |
487 |
19:43 <@robbat2> one sec, seeing if I can dig up where |
488 |
19:43 <@robbat2> *when |
489 |
19:43 <@NeddySeagoon> If all the authors will respond to email, the cleanest way to to attempt contact with a proposal |
490 |
19:44 <@quantumsummers_> some docs go back to 2005 |
491 |
19:45 <@dabbott> did solar start the project? |
492 |
19:46 <@robbat2> bug 212021 mentions some the issue too |
493 |
19:46 < willikins> robbat2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/212021 "Consider switching to Creative Commons BY-SA 3.0"; Documentation, New Documentation; RESO, CANT; grahl@g.o:trustees@g.o |
494 |
19:47 <@robbat2> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/gdp/doc/doc-policy.xml covers items done by GDP |
495 |
19:47 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, that was to relicence under a later version of the CA licence |
496 |
19:49 <@NeddySeagoon> Legal Issues. Every document published by the Gentoo Documentation Project must be licensed by the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. |
497 |
19:49 <@NeddySeagoon> That can only apply from the time that phrase was added to the doc |
498 |
19:49 <@robbat2> that phase is at least as old as: Thu Aug 26 16:16:04 2004 UTC |
499 |
19:50 <@robbat2> the file was moved to that location then |
500 |
19:50 <@quantumsummers_> in that case we are good afaict |
501 |
19:50 <@robbat2> IFF the documents were by the GDP team |
502 |
19:50 <@NeddySeagoon> So it clearly applies to docs dated after Aug 26 16:16:04 2004 UTC. |
503 |
19:50 <@robbat2> quantumsummers_, which hardened files? |
504 |
19:51 <@quantumsummers_> solar is an author on a bunch, and pappy too |
505 |
19:51 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, ask them |
506 |
19:51 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2: I'll have to put together a list of those in question |
507 |
19:51 <@robbat2> etdyn.xml is dated aug 2003 |
508 |
19:51 <@robbat2> so I need to go further back |
509 |
19:52 <@NeddySeagoon> Can we take that outside the meeting please |
510 |
19:52 <@robbat2> ok |
511 |
19:52 <@quantumsummers_> ok, give me some time to get some info together |
512 |
19:52 <@quantumsummers_> I have the guy working on it now |
513 |
19:53 <@NeddySeagoon> Internship Confirmation |
514 |
19:54 <@NeddySeagoon> Is this any different to dev certificate - but for a different role ? |
515 |
19:55 <@quantumsummers_> hmm, there is paperwork to sign. |
516 |
19:55 <@quantumsummers_> which I am happy doing. |
517 |
19:55 <@quantumsummers_> also, iirc, the mentor will have to sign off |
518 |
19:55 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, thanks ... do you need a third monday in your week? |
519 |
19:56 <@dabbott> from his email; |
520 |
19:56 <@quantumsummers_> perhaps :D |
521 |
19:56 <@dabbott> I asked the person who handles internships on my university and a |
522 |
19:56 <@dabbott> certificate (like the one you sent previously) and a internship log (in |
523 |
19:56 <@dabbott> English, signed by Alex or Petteri) will be enough. |
524 |
19:56 <@quantumsummers_> ah, great. |
525 |
19:56 <@quantumsummers_> So, he needs a certificate of completion? |
526 |
19:57 <@NeddySeagoon> That gets rid of the translation issue |
527 |
19:57 <@quantumsummers_> I am thinking about writing a webapp that will let us auto-create these certs. |
528 |
19:57 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, for one or two a year, is it worth the effor ? |
529 |
19:57 <@quantumsummers_> should be easy enough with ... reportlab & python win1 |
530 |
19:57 <@NeddySeagoon> +t |
531 |
19:57 <@quantumsummers_> if its easy, then yes. :) |
532 |
19:58 <@NeddySeagoon> heh |
533 |
19:58 <@quantumsummers_> not a high priority |
534 |
19:58 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon: he has alot of free time on Mondays :) |
535 |
19:58 <@quantumsummers_> but, we could use it to give devs the ability to create their own certs with ldap data |
536 |
19:58 <@NeddySeagoon> heh |
537 |
19:58 <@quantumsummers_> iif robbat2 would let me access that data :P |
538 |
19:59 <@NeddySeagoon> No SW design during meetings :) |
539 |
19:59 <@quantumsummers_> anyway, could be a fun little side pri=oj |
540 |
19:59 <@robbat2> the public fraction of the data is all in userinfo.xml |
541 |
19:59 <@quantumsummers_> err, proj ... yeah. please proceed |
542 |
19:59 <@robbat2> RESO OFFTOPIC |
543 |
19:59 <@NeddySeagoon> heh |
544 |
20:00 <@robbat2> so quantumsummers_ is handling that |
545 |
20:00 <@robbat2> next we have membership applications |
546 |
20:00 <@quantumsummers_> +1 to the new devs |
547 |
20:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Membership Applications Eray Aslan and Matt Turner. These were voted on the ml but my main box died, so I didn;t write the emails nor fix the ACL here |
548 |
20:01 <@robbat2> aye for both of them |
549 |
20:01 <@dabbott> yes to both |
550 |
20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> yes |
551 |
20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll write the emails now by system is up. |
552 |
20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 8 Date of Next Meeting - 19th Dec 2010 19:00 UTC |
553 |
20:02 <@quantumsummers_> sorry to say, but that is not going to work as I had hoped |
554 |
20:02 <@quantumsummers_> for me anyway |
555 |
20:02 <@quantumsummers_> how about the week prior? |
556 |
20:02 <@dabbott> fine here |
557 |
20:03 <@robbat2> checking my cal |
558 |
20:03 <@dabbott> 12 |
559 |
20:03 <@NeddySeagoon> 12th Dec? Thats the day after my wedding anaversary ... it will probably be ok |
560 |
20:03 <@quantumsummers_> during the week would be fine too, for me anyway |
561 |
20:03 <@robbat2> fine for me on the 12th |
562 |
20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets make it 12 Dec at the usual time |
563 |
20:04 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: that sounds like it may be trouble :D |
564 |
20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, after 32 years, as long as I remember, I'll be ok :) |
565 |
20:04 <@dabbott> heh |
566 |
20:05 <@quantumsummers_> :) congrats sir, quite an accomplishment |
567 |
20:05 <@robbat2> remembering is what the calendar is for ;-) |
568 |
20:05 <@robbat2> congrats for so many years |
569 |
20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, thanks - its been hard work at times but worth it |
570 |
20:05 <@quantumsummers_> I'm working on 5 years, and its been a ton of work. I would like to think it gets easier, but my optimism fails there. ;) |
571 |
20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 9 Any other business ... |
572 |
20:06 <@quantumsummers_> none from me, ah ha! |
573 |
20:06 <@robbat2> none from me |
574 |
20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> I have 1 item |
575 |
20:06 <@dabbott> go ahead none here |
576 |
20:07 <@NeddySeagoon> The recording date for next years trustee elections. I propose the close of our Jan 2011 meeting. |
577 |
20:07 <@quantumsummers_> +1 |
578 |
20:07 <@robbat2> +1 |
579 |
20:07 <@dabbott> yes |
580 |
20:07 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried |
581 |
20:07 <@quantumsummers_> hard to believe its been 2 years already |
582 |
20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, its retire by rotaion mind - so we have continuity |
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20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda item 10 Responsibilities |
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20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll post the log, write to OIN and our new members |
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20:08 <@dabbott> I will do the motions |
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20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, that leaves you fixing NM |
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20:09 <@robbat2> quantumsummers_, if you can identify the hardened docs that need license stuff, i can help you with that |
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20:09 <@robbat2> i've got DNS and the miranda replacement |
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20:09 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: yessir |
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20:09 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2: working on it now |
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20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 11 - Open Floor |
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20:11 * NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel to close the meeting |