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On 2009.01.08 13:01, Tiziano Müller wrote: |
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> Hi everyone |
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> Since Cardoe didn't present the paper up to now, I'd like to get the |
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> discussion started how the voting procedure should look like in the |
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> future. |
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> So far we've introduced the _reopen_nominations person in the last |
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> vote |
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> and it didn't change a lot. But there are more questions: |
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> Does there always have to be 7 council members? If yes, what should |
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> happen when we i) don't have enough nominations and/or ii) |
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> _reopen_nominations is ranked somewhere between rank 1-7 ? |
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> If not, should there be a minimum? If yes, same questions as above. |
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> I know it's boring stuff but it's better to discuss it now instead of |
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> during the next election period. |
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> Cheers, |
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> Tiziano |
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> ps The results from the 2008b vote are still not on the council page, |
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> who's going to do that? |
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> Tiziano Müller |
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> Gentoo Linux Developer |
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> Areas of responsibility: |
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> Samba, PostgreSQL, CPP, Python, sysadmin |
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> E-Mail : dev-zero@g.o |
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Tiziano, |
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I would like to widen the discussion a little. |
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I propose that council members serve for two years, not the current |
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year and that half the seats are contested every year. |
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This helps ensure a smooth transition from one council to the next and |
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avoids the case where a council near the end of its term decides to |
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'leave it for the new council' and the new council takes a few months |
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to find its feet. We have seen both cases already. |
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Council can debate/vote on that any time, or even decide to hold a |
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referendum. |
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To answer your questions directly, I'm not happy with the 'fake person' |
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A democracy gets the leadership it deserves, if there are seven |
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vacanices and only seven candidates, they should be elected unopposed. |
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No vote required. |
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We could make voting compulsory but that would make a lot of work for |
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election offcials, chasing slackers. It would force developers to |
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register their apathy by submitting a valid ballot with all names |
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ranked equally. The 'none of the below' option can force a continuious |
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cycle of nominations/elections unless we drop the 'none of the below' |
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from any second attempt, then its clearly served no useful purpose. |
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The trustees are currently running with one vacancy and one appointee. |
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An odd number works best and the appointee serves only until the next |
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planned election. I'm really suggesting that council looks at what |
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the Foundation does. I'm not saying its perfect but there may be some |
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ideas there. |
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The Foundation trustees cannot have proxies as trustees are legally |
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responsible for the runing of a legal entity, as directors of a company |
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and slacker marks make no sense to the trustees either. |
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I find the idea of proxies undemocratic. They are in effect a councilor |
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appointed for a short period by a single councilor. Thats not very |
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democratic now is it? |
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What whould happen if a council meeting was composed of seven proxies, |
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is it still representative of the council? |
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My view is that the coucil is overly cautions about its democratic |
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practices, sometimes to its detriment and at other times (proxies) the |
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processes are not democratic at all. |
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Disclaimer: The views above are my own. They do not represent the |
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formal position of any project I may be a member of. |
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Regards, |
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Roy Bamford |
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(NeddySeagoon) a member of |
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gentoo-ops |
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forum-mods |
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treecleaners |
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trustees |
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