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2009/7/7 Denis Dupeyron <calchan@g.o>: |
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> Scheduling a live meeting is difficult due to the council members |
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> being spread over different time zones. |
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Let's create a Council sub-forum on f.g.o: |
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- "Council" forum, main place where people would discuss issues |
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concerning Gentoo as a whole. |
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- "Proposals" sub-forum where everyone could start a thread with an |
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issue Council should in his opinion discuss. |
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- "Council Chambers" subforum where council would discuss between |
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themselves and start threads in which votes would be collected. Only |
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Council Members would be able to post there. |
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- #gentoo-council channel should stay where it is as a secondary way |
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of communication between Council Members and wide community but should |
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be replaced in decision-making by the forum. |
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Advantages: |
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- No need to be in one place at one time, you can comment when you |
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have time. Just start a poll with a time-out (7 days, 3 days?) and |
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wait for council members to vote. |
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- Ability to moderate. Lock threads when they go too wild, delete |
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unwanted posts, edit your previous posts, edit thread titles, sticky |
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important things. All the things you can't do on IRC or on mailing |
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lists. Just imagine the possibilities. |
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- You could copy half a thread and move it to another place to discuss |
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there separately. Something that would prevent derailing discussion |
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which happens on regular basis on mailings lists. |
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- You can "watch" threads you consider important and receive e-mails |
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with information about new posts in them. |
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- You can open a sub-forum for bigger issues (like EAPI stuff for |
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example which is currently spread over many meeting summaries and |
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posts on mailing lists) to keep them organised and in order. |
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- No dependance on Freenode team (with all due respect and |
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appreciation to their hard work they put into providing best IRC |
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service there is to our project). Forum would be on a machine |
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belonging to Gentoo, run by Gentoo Infra and moderated only be people |
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named by Gentoo. |
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- All other features that made civilised world to abandon mailing |
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lists and switch to forums. |
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And most importantly. |
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- People put more thought into what they write to forums than they do |
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when they use IRC. There would be less chit-chat and even if some |
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appears it'll be easy enough to move it somewhere else. |
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Disadvantages: |
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- Would need edits in the GLEP, like for example rethinking whole |
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"slacker" and "proxy" concepts. |
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- Forum project would have to agree to hand a forum over to where |
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Council would be sole moderators and rule makers. This issue is |
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probably not a big problem but since no-one asked them yet, I wouldn't |
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take it for granted. |
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- Would need moderators. There's one secretary already and I think it |
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could be a start for a future moderating team. |
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- "Disappearing posts" aka censorship - when people post something and |
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moderators just delete it without trace. Could be dodge by creating a |
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dustbin/hydepark sub-forum where moderators would copy/move threads |
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and posts instead of deleting them so they don't disappear even if |
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they are considered garbage. |
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- No archives. Well, forum is an archive itself so no need to archive |
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it elsewhere. |
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- "Forum is down, council can't proceed" - it applies to mailing lists |
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and IRC as well and can be easily dodged by moving back to lists and |
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IRC once it happens. I don't think our forum goes down more often than |
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Freenode... |
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- "My issue with forums is that I don't use them" - reason why my idea |
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won't be implemented most probably, some people just won't use forums |
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and that's it. Just think about how much easier it would be to |
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organize your work on a forum compared to what happens now. Maybe it's |
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worth trying? |
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Opinions, counter-ideas and bashing most welcome. |
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Regards, |
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Lukasz Damentko |