Re: [gentoo-desktop] System problems

Now that you explained more fully the situation  and why and what led to your problems I understand some of your frustrations. Sometimes wanting to fix one thing leads to other complex issues. Maybe (being Gentoo-specific) would be first to build your toolchain (linux-headers, glibc, binutils,and gcc) to today's versions then a "emerge -e world" so all of your stuff will be new and compatable-(your original problem). All of this can be done in the background while you keep working.                                                This is only one option. Feel free to use it or not. Sometimes I cuss the Gentoo devs for things they do that screws up my installs too.         As to your kernel question as to "default" switches in Gentoo kernel I really don't think there are. Gen-kernel is one answer, but it never worked for me, I always had to get dirty with "make menuconfig".         Hope you figure it out.  Cheers

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-----Original Message-----

From: Lindsay Haisley <fmouse-gentoo@×××.com>

Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 21:31:26 

To: <gentoo-desktop@l.g.o>

Reply-to: gentoo-desktop@l.g.o

Cc: Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto<jmbsvicetto@g.o>

Subject: Re: [gentoo-desktop] System problems



On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 00:37 -0100, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote:

> As such, I would kindly like to ask everyone on this thread to "calm
> down" and to please try to reply in a respectful manner to any poster on
> this ml.


Thank you, Jorge.  I will do so, going forward.



> I have to agree with other posters in this ml that your tone when you
> started this thread asking for help wasn't the best one.


I was kinda freaked out.  I depend on my desktop system for so many

things in a day, and it's _way_ behind in updates, I know.  I got pushed

into a kernel update by a simple software mod, which required a perl

update, which required that I run perl-cleaner, which has issues of its

own, and somewhere along the way I ran into a dependency on a newer

version of udev, which depended on a newer kernel, which I'd tried to

install before with the same or similar problems.  I couldn't make

things work and had to resort to a rescue disk to back out.  I felt

cornered, and I guess my plea for help showed it.



I actually have enough knowledge and experience with Linux that I can

probably solve this problem myself if I approach it methodically with a

clear head.



> Thank you for the apology you've sent to the list about your tone. Let's
> try to move forward and see if / how we can help you.


I can eat crow with the best of 'em, Jorge.



> PS - Lindsay, two last notes about your issue and your time constraints.
> This type of issue might be easier to diagnose on IRC (one good place is
> #gentoo in the freenode network) where a short intense session may prove
> to be quicker in the end. Also, I haven't seen anyone mention that the
> latest udev versions react *very* badly to CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED_V2.


Ah!  Thanks for the heads-up on this.  This switch is _not_ on in my

newer kernel, and doesn't exist in my older kernel.  CONFIG_SYSFS,

however, _is_ on as I assume it should be for /sys on which udev

depends.



I don't know why udev hasn't been completely integrated into kernel

development.  It's become so much a part of modern Linux and is so

interdependent with the kernel.  Yes, it's in user space, but so are

other kernel hooks.



> So be sure to check if you disable that as iirc udev will refuse to
> create the proper device nodes if that kernel option is active.


Question:  There are switch and value dependencies in the kernel that

are Gentoo specific, or specific to system configurations favored by

Gentoo (similar to what you mentioned above).  If I emerge a Gentoo

kernel, are the default configuration options for that kernel set by

Gentoo devs so as to build a kernel which will avoid these kinds of

"gotchas"?   In other words, if I build a gentoo kernel out of the box,

as opposed to a vanilla kernel from kernel.org, do I gain an advantage

with regard to possibly problematic configuration options on a fairly

standard Gentoo system?  I hope this makes sense.



> PPS - If you decide to test our IRC support, feel free to poke me in any
> channel or to /msg me in private.


Jorge, thank you SO MUCH, for this, (and for being an adult in the

sandbox.  I wasn't at the top of my game today :-) 



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