1 |
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 00:37 -0100, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: |
2 |
> As such, I would kindly like to ask everyone on this thread to "calm |
3 |
> down" and to please try to reply in a respectful manner to any poster on |
4 |
> this ml. |
5 |
|
6 |
Thank you, Jorge. I will do so, going forward. |
7 |
|
8 |
> I have to agree with other posters in this ml that your tone when you |
9 |
> started this thread asking for help wasn't the best one. |
10 |
|
11 |
I was kinda freaked out. I depend on my desktop system for so many |
12 |
things in a day, and it's _way_ behind in updates, I know. I got pushed |
13 |
into a kernel update by a simple software mod, which required a perl |
14 |
update, which required that I run perl-cleaner, which has issues of its |
15 |
own, and somewhere along the way I ran into a dependency on a newer |
16 |
version of udev, which depended on a newer kernel, which I'd tried to |
17 |
install before with the same or similar problems. I couldn't make |
18 |
things work and had to resort to a rescue disk to back out. I felt |
19 |
cornered, and I guess my plea for help showed it. |
20 |
|
21 |
I actually have enough knowledge and experience with Linux that I can |
22 |
probably solve this problem myself if I approach it methodically with a |
23 |
clear head. |
24 |
|
25 |
> Thank you for the apology you've sent to the list about your tone. Let's |
26 |
> try to move forward and see if / how we can help you. |
27 |
|
28 |
I can eat crow with the best of 'em, Jorge. |
29 |
|
30 |
> PS - Lindsay, two last notes about your issue and your time constraints. |
31 |
> This type of issue might be easier to diagnose on IRC (one good place is |
32 |
> #gentoo in the freenode network) where a short intense session may prove |
33 |
> to be quicker in the end. Also, I haven't seen anyone mention that the |
34 |
> latest udev versions react *very* badly to CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED_V2. |
35 |
|
36 |
Ah! Thanks for the heads-up on this. This switch is _not_ on in my |
37 |
newer kernel, and doesn't exist in my older kernel. CONFIG_SYSFS, |
38 |
however, _is_ on as I assume it should be for /sys on which udev |
39 |
depends. |
40 |
|
41 |
I don't know why udev hasn't been completely integrated into kernel |
42 |
development. It's become so much a part of modern Linux and is so |
43 |
interdependent with the kernel. Yes, it's in user space, but so are |
44 |
other kernel hooks. |
45 |
|
46 |
> So be sure to check if you disable that as iirc udev will refuse to |
47 |
> create the proper device nodes if that kernel option is active. |
48 |
|
49 |
Question: There are switch and value dependencies in the kernel that |
50 |
are Gentoo specific, or specific to system configurations favored by |
51 |
Gentoo (similar to what you mentioned above). If I emerge a Gentoo |
52 |
kernel, are the default configuration options for that kernel set by |
53 |
Gentoo devs so as to build a kernel which will avoid these kinds of |
54 |
"gotchas"? In other words, if I build a gentoo kernel out of the box, |
55 |
as opposed to a vanilla kernel from kernel.org, do I gain an advantage |
56 |
with regard to possibly problematic configuration options on a fairly |
57 |
standard Gentoo system? I hope this makes sense. |
58 |
|
59 |
> PPS - If you decide to test our IRC support, feel free to poke me in any |
60 |
> channel or to /msg me in private. |
61 |
|
62 |
Jorge, thank you SO MUCH, for this, (and for being an adult in the |
63 |
sandbox. I wasn't at the top of my game today :-) |
64 |
|
65 |
-- |
66 |
Lindsay Haisley | "Humor will get you through times of no humor |
67 |
FMP Computer Services | better than no humor will get you through |
68 |
512-259-1190 | times of humor." |
69 |
http://www.fmp.com | - Butch Hancock |