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Tomáš Chvátal <scarabeus@g.o> posted |
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200904271103.08247.scarabeus@g.o, excerpted below, on Mon, 27 Apr |
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2009 11:03:08 +0200: |
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> Dne pondělí 27 Duben 2009 10:59:46 Jan Kundrát napsal(a): |
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>> Tomáš Chvátal wrote: |
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>> > Dne pondělí 27 Duben 2009 10:45:49 Alexey Shvetsov napsal(a): |
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>> >> Hi all! |
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>> >> I think its better to split kde use flag into 2 new use flags kde3 |
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>> >> and kde4 so it will not confuse users =) |
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>> > As we spoke earlier with others on irc: kde3 stuff = kde3 useflag |
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>> > kde4 stuff (or any newest kde which is around) = kde useflag where if |
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>> > kde4 gets outdated it will get kde4 useflag. |
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>> Is there any single package that supports both KDE3 and KDE4? |
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> Some are, |
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> The issue is currently that user globaly enable kde and now with for |
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> example subversion he gets pulled kde4. |
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Before the discussion goes too far, please please either go back and |
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check the dev-list archives or talk to some of the devs that have been |
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around for awhile. It's relatively easy to both confuse users and make |
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further version changes MUCH more difficult than they need to be, and |
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looking thru the archives will provide much material on all the angst |
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that previous policies generated by not getting it right. |
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In particular, don't make the mistake gtk/gtk2 did for awhile. USE=gtk |
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indicated a general desire to have gtk (of any version) support, while |
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USE=gtk2 indicated that gtk2 should be favored over gtk1, otherwise, gtk1 |
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was the default. That policy, which looked quite reasonable when gtk2 |
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was new and experimental, ended up boxing them into a corner as gtk2 |
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improved and became the dominant version, while gtk1 grew stale and was |
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eventually deprecated in the Gentoo tree and later masked and ultimately |
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removed (along with any packages, xmms being one of the most popular, |
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that hadn't upgraded to gtk2 by then), and they ultimately ended up |
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changing it in a way that couldn't be anything /but/ rough for some users. |
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But even before that it was a pain, because it didn't follow the |
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intuitive idea that USE=gtk meant gtk1 support while USE=gtk2 meant gtk2 |
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support. New users very often enabled gtk2 without enabling gtk, |
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believing they were expressing a desire for gtk2 support but NOT gtk1, |
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when instead what it was really expressing was, don't support gtk (of any |
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version) unless you have to, but if it's mandatory and there's a choice, |
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choose gtk2 over gtk1. |
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Unfortunately there's few if any Gentoo/KDE devs remaining around from |
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that time. I'm not sure about Gentoo/GNOME or Gentoo/GTK. However, note |
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that such USE flag changes will be global in any case due to their |
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popularity, and thus should be discussed on the dev list and if I'm not |
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mistaken, run by council. I'm not sure about the others, but Donnie was |
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certainly around at the time, and is on council so his opinion will |
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certainly matter in any case. It's thus worth getting his input and |
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those of any others that ware around then to remember, as it could well |
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prevent some needless palm-to-forehead, "how could they have done that |
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/again/ sometime in the future. |
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-- |
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Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. |
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"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- |
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and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman |
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