From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A6A341382C5 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2021 18:10:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EF860E0867; Fri, 8 Jan 2021 18:10:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (dev.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1396AE0839 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2021 18:10:19 +0000 (UTC) To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <20210104013558.20072-1-whissi@gentoo.org> <091a2d35-1437-48d5-031f-6499db0a29c6@gentoo.org> From: Thomas Deutschmann Organization: Gentoo Linux Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] acct-user.eclass: don't modify existing user by default Message-ID: <2c5d738a-04f7-94a7-d2ed-1983743dcef6@gentoo.org> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 19:10:10 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5Wdzn9uZ5m1IBXv41BM27eoXCuqGAeXUd" X-Archives-Salt: c7ebda25-6c50-4315-aac0-356cd522ff06 X-Archives-Hash: 4aabc174b36e10dde457cd365ee7c03f This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --5Wdzn9uZ5m1IBXv41BM27eoXCuqGAeXUd Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="ogtVq6mGw5JhEe3xURO1PVt13RxAW8y8S"; protected-headers="v1" From: Thomas Deutschmann To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <2c5d738a-04f7-94a7-d2ed-1983743dcef6@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] acct-user.eclass: don't modify existing user by default References: <20210104013558.20072-1-whissi@gentoo.org> <091a2d35-1437-48d5-031f-6499db0a29c6@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: --ogtVq6mGw5JhEe3xURO1PVt13RxAW8y8S Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2021-01-08 18:06, Mike Gilbert wrote: > I disagree with your premise: I argue that the eclass is not "broken", > and the code works as designed. You just don't like aspects of its > design. Several people, not just me... *users*, other devs like robbat2 and=20 antarus, all with experience in maintaining multiple systems not just as = a hobby, have expressed that the current design has a flaw. I got feedback from other devs representing a large group in Gentoo and=20 they all agree on the problem. They haven't spoken up yet because they=20 don't care because the way how they use Gentoo is stateless. So why the hell is it acceptable for a small group (you and mgorny,=20 Michael told me already last year that he will be fine with an opt-in=20 change and I assume his opinion hasn't changed) to cause problems for=20 another group just because you don't want to acknowledge the problem? Even soap, not sure if he has spoken for himself or as QA lead, has=20 acknowledged in this thread that we need a mechanism to disable this=20 behavior. Is it really not possible to solve this technical problem? Do we have to = escalate and need a vote or something to replace entire GLEP 81 with=20 something new just because a group believes there is no flaw and=20 everyone else having problems are doing things wrong so this group is=20 rejecting any attempts to address the problem? --=20 Regards, Thomas Deutschmann / Gentoo Linux Developer fpr: C4DD 695F A713 8F24 2AA1 5638 5849 7EE5 1D5D 74A5 --ogtVq6mGw5JhEe3xURO1PVt13RxAW8y8S-- --5Wdzn9uZ5m1IBXv41BM27eoXCuqGAeXUd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="OpenPGP_signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="OpenPGP_signature" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- wsB5BAABCAAjFiEEExKRzo+LDXJgXHuURObr3Jv2BVkFAl/4oAIFAwAAAAAACgkQRObr3Jv2BVlk +wf+M4MZhvkDZmNjNNr+WSzv7f8lXOjhk5UmzqeSaW+5SDZX/eAjLp43l/I6SDxVK64hJ9RrI1Br dZTmY54sYDGzC9o39C6/H2NCMftDu0kONjIWARkcAigryxz9BI0Yt+QorbCd/khFZ4S+2GjRnSNw r8Rcm8Ye0niX/MLSQMn195TYGSEfoE9IIfmuQsLi/mb5HM32ZV3T0aZri4Cg4h9L7YcZACQv5I8g GWjiAHJjOvy1oeGIORpmpLGd2V7ToPx7wBZ/LovYOOdVp5FB40xraJNdKqK8jTeGlaqw85Tvdyck YoiDEUa1TGepvv47pnglQcpa9F/oCxraSXDxNCfTcg== =X1mZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5Wdzn9uZ5m1IBXv41BM27eoXCuqGAeXUd--