From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67F67158046 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2024 13:04:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9CBA0E2A3B; Sat, 12 Oct 2024 13:04:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (woodpecker.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A34DE2A05 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2024 13:04:02 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <96e7428bf48fbc96d02f8f65edfe91888f8da831.camel@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Splitting dev-lang/python into per-slot packages, starting with 3.14 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_G=C3=B3rny?= To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Cc: python@gentoo.org Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2024 15:03:56 +0200 In-Reply-To: <1a1f9b9f-7428-4536-847c-e6965336b451@gentoo.org> References: <05da4193-14d7-412c-8fc6-fc72d3fcbf09@gentoo.org> <8ce4e62aad6463d0af692305c44dfe2eb887790c.camel@gentoo.org> <1a1f9b9f-7428-4536-847c-e6965336b451@gentoo.org> Organization: Gentoo Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha512"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-5Shy+1oB7LB6Ef6CB+g1" User-Agent: Evolution 3.52.4 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Archives-Salt: b94f1065-c9ab-4702-a9ad-a03ce7e02098 X-Archives-Hash: 95025552e33b9b5c4d1d36a9df6625fd --=-5Shy+1oB7LB6Ef6CB+g1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 2024-10-12 at 15:00 +0200, Luca Barbato wrote: > On 12/10/24 11:13, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > > On Sat, 2024-10-12 at 10:50 +0200, Luca Barbato wrote: > > > On 12/10/24 10:12, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > > > > Comments? > > > >=20 > > > I'm afraid it would lead to way too many packages and I'm not sure th= e > > > overall experience would be an improvement. > >=20 > > 5 are too many? >=20 > potentially it is python_{version}_{variants} so at least 10*2 assuming= =20 > we keep around 3.{N..N+5} and we have two worthy variants. >=20 > Plus the chore of treecleaning older packages. Not sure if it is worth it= . That sounds like an advantage, actually. Currently, we keep older versions for a long time, then they suddenly disappear. All the things considered, perhaps we ought to verbosely last rite them. > > In fact, even today "emerge dev-lang/python" is probably a bad solution= , > > as it will lead to a beta/rc version on an ~arch system most > > of the time. > >=20 > > > An alternative for freethreading support wouldn't be to install both > > > from the same package python-3.14 and have the two PYTHON_TARGETS ? > >=20 > > I don't understand. >=20 > emerge =3Dpython-3.14 would install both a non-freethreading and a=20 > freethreading version and it would satisfy 3_14 and 3_14t at the same. >=20 But that's not how PMs work? It would install only the "newer" version, which would probably mean freethreading, which is not what people usually want. --=20 Best regards, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny --=-5Shy+1oB7LB6Ef6CB+g1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQFGBAABCgAwFiEEx2qEUJQJjSjMiybFY5ra4jKeJA4FAmcKc7wSHG1nb3JueUBn ZW50b28ub3JnAAoJEGOa2uIyniQOlT8IAJSjduSTSKCGe74TAZFMQ/2q/cObNoBZ TyYJx3dlhLrIP/3tMGQEqqOZnc70vfiRUARWyWbFZQ+NMfIvc7bN3da3TF46n4Rp 0urQk2VNu65x2OYPd0pjZPgTbF8udJiMSz3k1rQQAZs6gWtJUiLT3EvS/SrFBGX7 lQqV/GsZ3nNf96hnKPPh7Rqoh6ULuATRDSdhqp3gF8GMs3Qb6X0m1BLgvTScCZXI fULkU/9LhFbRe4q2DfGZzXJkRyzSRsXP+mjImlQdhYRzM2vRbhKCEpWSzvE8xvmk dYWib46umryvLbqua54D9yxBfK/OCPyiBMB+pZ7JwfIj1Ro+whwriSc= =4UIy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-5Shy+1oB7LB6Ef6CB+g1--