From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <gentoo-dev+bounces-102628-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org> Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6003A158046 for <garchives@archives.gentoo.org>; Sat, 12 Oct 2024 10:22:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AF6BBE2A1A; Sat, 12 Oct 2024 10:22:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (woodpecker.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74901E2A14 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Sat, 12 Oct 2024 10:22:48 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <a9502aebdbfb9c5d88eb6c6f09152be56ba1b3ad.camel@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting dev-lang/python into per-slot packages, starting with 3.14 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_G=C3=B3rny?= <mgorny@gentoo.org> To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Cc: python@gentoo.org Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2024 12:22:43 +0200 In-Reply-To: <uo73py6g1@gentoo.org> References: <d3fb6b685e511bce4183b674dd171c9e710765d8.camel@gentoo.org> <u34l1zlnw@gentoo.org> <a803173d36548bc195fc5586e1f0a9f936f9b885.camel@gentoo.org> <uo73py6g1@gentoo.org> Organization: Gentoo Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha512"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-PnHFcvlunzNqYut7omhi" User-Agent: Evolution 3.52.4 Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Archives-Salt: caa7981f-6e2f-4dd3-a355-1d20c5b23511 X-Archives-Hash: c8b068a25117a55b563661d520918ec3 --=-PnHFcvlunzNqYut7omhi Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 2024-10-12 at 12:13 +0200, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, 12 Oct 2024, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: >=20 > > > IMHO this would abuse the package name for information that absolutel= y > > > doesn't belong there. It belongs in PV or SLOT. > > >=20 > > > To me it seems that you try to work around a problem (greedy upgrade > > > behaviour) that should really be solved in the package manager. >=20 > > In my opinion, it's the other way around. We have slots, that are a fi= t > > solution for packages that are roughly compatible between every major > > release, and we keep abusing them for every single thing we can bend > > enough to make it fit. >=20 > So are you saying that Python versions aren't "roughly compatible" > between releases? Like, they're a completely different language? They're not compatible in the sense "if I install package for python3.12, it will work in python3.13", because every version uses a separate package tree. Upstream has effectively made every version separate. On top of that, the same "minor" version can have a PyPy variation and a "freethreading" variation now. --=20 Best regards, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny --=-PnHFcvlunzNqYut7omhi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQFGBAABCgAwFiEEx2qEUJQJjSjMiybFY5ra4jKeJA4FAmcKTfMSHG1nb3JueUBn ZW50b28ub3JnAAoJEGOa2uIyniQOF0QIAIbY0xbJbU+P4sndUkYiYYajEKeLElkm 5sm7KAQlrzbrhjEuubNlgeMHKEE8qG8FRReSqxnLNbcpTXVZVlCx24MK2wcwbILp YmKhpoG0rYahNsBRRgPL7kpWdlZU1xnPQ6Qp+knIPD1E8DJ/jNVIWOj6f2n6kgn2 4Hd78BYopoUagbFn5eqs88JiDcjBfgVWl8TfRz6/1Xgj46DcVYngf+0z1pDbL50w rX2vb7kV5T1rttuddyJ0kLB1swX13FPIZ898J0NxhhVY0o/6Ww1Jz2MkIAtuE7pW 2aqjZJ5QSCKyhPRZB/fmPTxxvl51QLdq7bHwSIi0CHhDcJc8caeKD7I= =zjUl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-PnHFcvlunzNqYut7omhi--