From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (woodpecker.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 235C11584F2 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2025 14:54:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lists.gentoo.org (bobolink.gentoo.org [140.211.166.189]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: relay-lists.gentoo.org@gentoo.org) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 09A16343284 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2025 14:54:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bobolink.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bobolink.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85D931103E1; Sun, 16 Mar 2025 14:53:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ida.uls.co.za (ida.uls.co.za [IPv6:2c0f:f720:0:1::9a49:2202]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by bobolink.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF0FB1102B7 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2025 14:53:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.104] by ida.uls.co.za with esmtpsa (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.97.1) (envelope-from ) id 1ttpMH-000000007bh-0lVA for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Sun, 16 Mar 2025 16:52:57 +0200 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2025 16:52:53 +0200 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] New category for AI related packages To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <20250310214009.57104603@alfredo.tupone.it> <87ldt93wps.fsf@gentoo.org> <87bju3vm2t.fsf@gentoo.org> Content-Language: en-GB From: Jaco Kroon Autocrypt: addr=jaco@uls.co.za; keydata= xsBNBFXtplYBCADM6RTLCOSPiclevkn/gdf8h9l+kKA6N+WGIIFuUtoc9Gaf8QhXWW/fvUq2 a3eo4ULVFT1jJ56Vfm4MssGA97NZtlOe3cg8QJMZZhsoN5wetG9SrJvT9Rlltwo5nFmXY3ZY gXsdwkpDr9Y5TqBizx7DGxMd/mrOfXeql57FWFeOc2GuJBnHPZQMJsQ66l2obPn36hWEtHYN gcUSPH3OOusSEGZg/oX/8WSDQ/b8xz1JKTEgcnu/JR0FxzjY19zSHmbnyVU+/gF3oeJFcEUk HvZu776LRVdcZ0lb1bHQB2K9rTZBVeZLitgAefPVH2uERVSO8EZO1I5M7afV0Kd/Vyn9ABEB AAHNG0phY28gS3Jvb24gPGphY29AdWxzLmNvLnphPsLAdwQTAQgAIQUCVe2mVgIbAwULCQgH AgYVCAkKCwIEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRAILcSxr/fungCPB/sHrfufpRbrVTtHUjpbY4bTQLQE bVrh4/yMiKprALRYy0nsMivl16Q/3rNWXJuQ0gR/faC3yNlDgtEoXx8noXOhva9GGHPGTaPT hhpcp/1E4C9Ghcaxw3MRapVnSKnSYL+zOOpkGwye2+fbqwCkCYCM7Vu6ws3+pMzJNFK/UOgW Tj8O5eBa3DiU4U26/jUHEIg74U+ypYPcj5qXG0xNXmmoDpZweW41Cfo6FMmgjQBTEGzo9e5R kjc7MH3+IyJvP4bzE5Paq0q0b5zZ8DUJFtT7pVb3FQTz1v3CutLlF1elFZzd9sZrg+mLA5PM o8PG9FLw9ZtTE314vgMWJ+TTYX0kzsBNBFXtplYBCADedX9HSSJozh4YIBT+PuLWCTJRLTLu jXU7HobdK1EljPAi1ahCUXJR+NHvpJLSq/N5rtL12ejJJ4EMMp2UUK0IHz4kx26FeAJuOQMe GEzoEkiiR15ufkApBCRssIj5B8OA/351Y9PFore5KJzQf1psrCnMSZoJ89KLfU7C5S+ooX9e re2aWgu5jqKgKDLa07/UVHyxDTtQKRZSFibFCHbMELYKDr3tUdUfCDqVjipCzHmLZ+xMisfn yX9aTVI3FUIs8UiqM5xlxqfuCnDrKBJjQs3uvmd6cyhPRmnsjase48RoO84Ckjbp/HVu0+1+ 6vgiPjbe4xk7Ehkw1mfSxb79ABEBAAHCwF8EGAEIAAkFAlXtplYCGwwACgkQCC3Esa/37p7u XwgAjpFzUj+GMmo8ZeYwHH6YfNZQV+hfesr7tqlZn5DhQXJgT2NF6qh5Vn8TcFPR4JZiVIkF o0je7c8FJe34Aqex/H9R8LxvhENX/YOtq5+PqZj59y9G9+0FFZ1CyguTDC845zuJnnR5A0lw FARZaL8T7e6UGphtiT0NdR7EXnJ/alvtsnsNudtvFnKtigYvtw2wthW6CLvwrFjsuiXPjVUX 825zQUnBHnrED6vG67UG4z5cQ4uY/LcSNsqBsoj6/wsT0pnqdibhCWmgFimOsSRgaF7qsVtg TWyQDTjH643+qYbJJdH91LASRLrenRCgpCXgzNWAMX6PJlqLrNX1Ye4CQw== Organization: Ultimate Linux Solutions (Pty) Ltd In-Reply-To: <87bju3vm2t.fsf@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-report: Relay access (ida.uls.co.za). X-Archives-Salt: f321be4c-1bdb-4e0d-b707-1b312382268c X-Archives-Hash: 7053bddf3bcbf82f81554ec234fc43b4 Hi, On 2025/03/14 14:22, Sam James wrote: > Arsen Arsenović writes: > >> Filip Kobierski writes: >> >>> On Monday, March 10th, 2025 at 21:40, Alfredo Tupone wrote: >>>> To declutter sci-libs and dev-libs from most of the "so called" >>>> AI packages I think that a new category should be created. >>>> Maybe sci-ai/ or dev-ai/ or sci-dl/ (deep-learning) >>> I really like thi idea. >>> For better or worse the field is growing and it would be nice >>> to have a separate category for it. >>> >>> In my opinion the category should begin with "sci": >>> - "sci-ai" feels the most general but buzzwordy; >>> - "sci-dl" is too specific as not AI is deep learning; >>> - "sci-ml" (machie learning) in my opinion would be the >>> best choice as it describes the packages listed clearly. >> As was mentioned, sci-ml would be confusing with Meta-Language. >> >> The term "AI" has a very long and storied history, and covers the entire >> field of machine learning and then some. I think 'sci-ai' is most >> fitting as a result (and, besides also being more fitting, it also is >> not ambiguous). > I agree. I can live with sci-ml if the consensus goes the other way, though. For what it's worth, +1. AI encompasses all the various sub-AI fields, including but not limited to GenAI, ML, DL, heck, even rule-based/"expert" systems.  I get really large neural networks are all the rage at the moment, but please let's not be restrictive here, GenAI may be all the current rage, but GenAI ≠ AI. Kind regards, Jaco