[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

[MIkey]

Wernfried Haas wrote:

> You already complained about that on the forums [1] in a rather
> similar thread and yet you still haven't filed a bug report about

Why I explained a couple of posts further down.  I could not duplicate the
problem either, I think it went away in 3.4.4-r1.  I don't like posting bug
reports that I can't duplicate and I prefer to be able to either post a
patch or suggest a solution unless it is a trivial matter.

> it. I don't have the feeling this is going anywhere. I'd really
> appreciate if you would at least try to help improve things.

I am trying to help improve things.  Do you think I just enjoy lurking
around mailing lists and taking a beating?  I persist because I love
Gentoo, but I see some lemming-like attitudes going on around here and the
users are the ones being led off of cliffs. Yes, I know it is a myth that
lemmings follow each other off of cliffs.

> Btw, the update was announced all over the place, including GWN,
> www.gentoo.org, the forums, etc. You also get a message in the
> postinstall of gcc 3.4.4 iirc.

Which promptly scrolled off of the screen a few days later, never again to
be found unless you know to search for it or read through all of the forums
before doing what the installation handbook describes.
 
> As for the stage 1 problems you described, this is exactly what i
> already told you in the same thread. Supporting stage 1 costs extra
> resources, this thread is a perfect example of it.

And this is the primary point I am arguing.  I keep hearing it, over and
over.  My testing leads me to a much different conclusion, I offered
details describing why I reached my conclusions.  It is the developers that
decided to stop supporting the stage1 installation method, without asking
users.  I am asking you all to justify that decision, preferrably with
facts.  I am claiming that that the stage1 installation method is in fact
much easier, quicker, cleaner, and more dependable.  I have still not heard
a reasonable argument to refute that basic assertion.  I have heard vague
claims but no quantification.

I even went as far as posting patches to fix some of the major bugs that
have gone unnoticed for, how long?  Which is, in effect, me offering
solutions.  I have also posted proposals with patches for simple,
incremental changes in portage that would make gentoo more palatable in an
"enterprise" environment.  

So far it has been a fairly fruitless endeavor...

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