Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: have portage be quiet by default

[Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn]

Zac Medico schrieb:
> On 11/14/2011 09:38 AM, Dale wrote:
>> As I type:
>>
>> emerge should show build output by default (unless --quiet-build=y) 42%
>>
>> So far that's the winner.  As I posted earlier, people expect things to
>> work like they have always worked.  I say that as a user.
>
> As I've explained in my post to that forum thread [1], you have to
> factor in the "silent majority" that welcomes the change and does not
> express it publicly. A forumor mailing list thread tends to attract a
> "vocal minority", which tends to bias the discussion (or voting results)
> in way that does not give a fair statistical representation of the
> gentoo population as a whole (it excludes the "silent majority"). It's
> part of human nature that those who are displeased with the changed more
> likely to speak up than those who welcome the change.

For the record, I think as lead developer zmedico should have the final
word over what is default in portage, and if arguments or compromise
proposals fail to convince him otherwise, then it shall be as he decides.

That being said, please keep the crap out of this discussion. Especially
the claim that the majority of users welcome this change. You have no
data to back this up, other than selective perception à la "in 14 hours
after proposing this change, no dissenting opinion was posted to
gentoo-dev". In fact, the data which was collected so far suggests
otherwise.

The vocal minority argument is just made up. A vocal minority can push
or oppose changes.

If you think that the change is better for users, and they just need
time to adjust, then be a man and stand to your opinion. Don't hide it
behind such phony claims.


Best regards,
Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn