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On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Michał Górny <mgorny@g.o> wrote: |
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> The problems of more abusive behavior from some of the mailing list |
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> members have been reported to ComRel numerous times. After the failure |
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> of initial enforcement, I'm not aware of ComRel doing anything to solve |
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> the problem. The main arguments I've heard from ComRel members were: |
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> A. Bans can be trivially evaded, and history proves that those evasions |
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> create more noise than leaving the issue as is. |
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That's absurd. "We shouldn't enforce rules because people can break the rules" |
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> B. People should be allowed to express their opinion [even if it's pure |
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> hate speech that carries no value to anyone]. |
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That's absurd. There's no reason to have to tolerate non-constructive |
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conversation on our own mailing lists. Classify it as off topic. We |
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tell people their posts are off topic for a particular mailing list |
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all the time. |
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> C. The replies of Gentoo developers were worse [no surprise that people |
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> lose their patience after being attacked for a few months]. |
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That's absurd. You have to look at where the problem starts to fix it, |
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not engage in whataboutism. |
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> The alternative suggested by ComRel pretty much boiled down to 'ignore |
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> the trolls'. While we can see this is actually starting to happen right |
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> now (even the most determined developers stopped replying), this doesn't |
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> really solve the problem because: |
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That's absurd. The whole point of bringing problems to ComRel is so |
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they can solve it. Telling people to deal with it is explicitly not |
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solving the problem. |
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The Gentoo community (not just the developers) would stand to benefit |
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from a capable and competent ComRel team. It's very sad that we don't |
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have that. |
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Unfortunately, my experience is much the same as yours. ComRel |
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explicitly refused to act when a bug reporter was repeatedly abusive, |
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instead arguing that he didn't do anything wrong and that I shouldn't |
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be so offended. Even the user disagreed with ComRel, apologizing and |
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saying that his own behavior was out of line when I confronted him. |
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That's absurd. |
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