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On 08/07/2016 09:06 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: |
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> On 07/08/2016 15:32, Kent Fredric wrote: |
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>>> Let them use java* codes, as that is what all the universities are |
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>>>> teaching and promoting. I agree |
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>>>> with gentoo proper on severely restricting java*, on gentoo-proper, |
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>>>> but that sort of thing is killing gentoo and just appears to the open |
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>>>> world as a filter mechanism to keep out and go elsewhere, snoot. |
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>>>> There are just too many exciting and useful codes out there running |
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>>>> java. |
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>> "All" ? Some. And the dominance and focus on Java is itself telling of |
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>> the quality and type of the education provider. |
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>> Some education providers may not touch Java at all, and focus |
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>> predominantly on C. |
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>> You can't satisfy everyone out of the box. |
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> I have no idea where James gets his information from, but I suspect it's |
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> a niche market where uni students do "clustering" - whatever that is. |
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I spend a lot of time "hooping" with college kids in a variety of |
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venues. College kids and adults, from around the world visit the hoop |
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venues in Central Florida. Lots of kids who are not CS majors are |
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involved in coding, and java reigns supreme, imho, as the most often |
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cited programming language they use, because professors and employers |
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alike dictate that on them. |
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Also Just look at the job boards and the new projects springing up on |
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github. Sure python is very popular. But, I cannot think of a single |
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distro that offer java and precludes python, so why not have both. |
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Yes java is popular in rich environments where jobs in the cloud or on |
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an internal cluster contain java codes. Most kids only use the cloud and |
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are not 'full stack' aware or part of the foundation of the resources |
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they code for. |
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> The interesting apps out there are mostly running python, go and |
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> (sometimes) lua. And that's what I observe in my day job - |
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> business/mobile ISP. |
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Look at the job listing on stackoverflow and elsewhere (java) is very |
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popular when they list several programming languages to meet the |
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requirements. I'm not promoting java, at all, but just stating that it |
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is very popular, on new projects (but not all) and it is a large and |
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frequent requirement, dictating by employers. Kids coming out of college |
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want a job, more than anything, and most are having java crammed down |
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their throats. So we should find a way to robustly |
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support those that need java. Nothing is precluding other languages |
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in my message. Personally I avoid java, unless it is critical to |
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a code or family of codes I need to run. |
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hth, |
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James |
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