Re: [gentoo-dev] When will KDE 3.5 be marked as stable?

[Paul de Vrieze]

On Tuesday 04 April 2006 19:04, m h wrote:
> I'm the OT.  So I apologize to all devs whose precious time I have
> wasted.  This post has probably now consumed about 10x as much time as
> it should've by now.  I totally realize that it is probably super
> annoying to get requests for bumping to stable.  And it wasn't my
> intention at all to put pressure on anyone to bump KDE.   I was only
> curious as to what was holding it up.

You didn't waste time at all. While your question might have been rather 
concise I found it topical enough, and proper. The one wasting our time is 
Stephen P. Becker by behaving a gentoo developer unworthy, and being called 
upon that. He's also forgetting that while one could try asking it at 
gentoo-user, the chances of getting an answer from the developers are very 
thin.

>
> That was my bad for phrasing my question in such a sort manner (not
> following the "howto ask smart questions" protocol).  I figured since,
> I'm seeing posts about 2.6.16 going stable in "2-3 weeks" and
> questions about firefox 1.5, then KDE would be kosher as well (since
> it is arguable on of the most important apps on the linux desktop).
>
> > >> I would like to point out that it was you who flamed me for apparently
> > >> saying RTFM, when in fact if you read my original email, I did nothing
> > >> of the sort.
> > >
> > > You gave a logical RTFM. You're being literal with words when the
> > > meaning of what you said should be fairly clear. You didn't want to
> > > answer the question, so you flamed the person who asked instead of
> > > answering or defering to a more helpful individual.
> >
> > Not really.  I should have actually pointed out that there is no (good)
> > place for such queries originally, but I was doing about 10 things at
> > once, and just sent the typical "don't send offtopic stuff to the
> > gentoo-dev list" reply.  Look back through the archives...this is pretty
> > standard.
> >
> > >> I merely pointed out what should have been clear to anyone
> > >> that signed up for this list, that it is not for whining about arch
> > >> keywording.
> > >
> > > Not everyone is like you. There are all sorts of different people out
> > > there who process information in a lot of different ways. Without a
> > > stated correct place for asking questions about keywording, it wouldn't
> > > be hard to rationalise that the proper place is the dev mailing list.
> >
> > Except that it isn't the proper place.  It is for discussion of
> > technical matters concerning the development of Gentoo.  The closest
> > place that might be sort of on-topic is the gentoo-desktop list, but I
> > generally don't recommend that list because it seems like nobody bothers
> > to answer questions there for the most part.  I think the problem is
> > that the RightPeople(TM) (meaning all the members of the teams for each
> > desktop herd) probably aren't subscribed there.
>
> Sorry I'm not on the desktop list and since I was seeing other posts
> about marking the kernel and firefox as stable, I figured kde fit in
> as well.  My bad.  One solution to naggers like me may be to have
> dedicated per package wiki/homepages where a status is shown (much
> like Trac releases).  Or at least link to pending bugs.  Though I
> realize that this is probably just more overhead for devs who are
> already too busy and would rather just code.
>
> > > You say it should be obvious like it's fact. Not everything is obvious
> > > to everyone--Not everyone is a Steve or Stephanie. They may interpret
> > > conveyed information in different ways and the ambiguity does not help
> > > at all.
> >
> > It should be obvious to anybody who bothered to read the description for
> > this mailing list before signing up.  I can't fix ignorance.
>
> Thanks for the compliment ;)
> "General Gentoo developer discussion mailing list" is the
> description...  I guess my post was not general enough. ;)

You are right, the list is about the development of gentoo. Asking what the 
reasons are why kde is not stabilized yet (while it used to be really fast) 
is totally relevant to that. The list is intentionally not developer only. It 
is a place for the interaction between developers and advanced users on what 
happens in gentoo. It's not for flames ;-).

Paul

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Paul de Vrieze
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