Re: [gentoo-dev] [openrc] [systemd] make `service` common for both OpenRC and SystemD (like Debian/Ubuntu/whatever did)

[Andrew Savchenko]

On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 12:05:07 +0200 Michał Górny wrote:
> W dniu nie, 17.09.2017 o godzinie 12∶12 +0300, użytkownik Andrew
> Savchenko napisał:
> > On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 02:56:08 +0700 Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov wrote:
> > > Hi there!
> > >
> > > Every time I switch from mastering service on my work (Ubuntu-powered) to my
> > > own server farm (Gentoo powered) I'm going a bit frustrated: Ubuntu (with all
> > > my hate to many other things in it) has nice user-friendly way of managing
> > > services: you can freely call any of `service <servicename> action` irrelevant
> > > to which init-system is currently in use. Will it be systemd, or (whatever
> > > there is alternative there). `service` wrapper will detect it anyway and will
> > > do the proper things (forward it to either systemd or another service
> > > manager).
> > >
> > > I'd like to suggest to remove `service` widget from openrc and make it the
> > > part of (which package? baselayout?)? Here is a pseudocode of how I see it:
> > >
> > > ```
> > > servicename=${1}
> > > action=${2}
> > >
> > > if in_systemd; then
> > > 	systemctl "${action}" "${servicename}"
> > > else
> > > 	rc-service "${servicename}" "${action}"
> > > fi
> > > ```
> > >
> > > Well, actually, there may be some more logic (for example, instance units
> > > (`unit@instance` in `systemd` vs `unit.instance` in openrc), "enable" action
> > > (forward it to `rc-update add` for `openrc`, probably) and maybe some more.
> > > But anyway, the conception is something like that.
> > >
> > >
> > > What do you think about that?
> >
> > https://xkcd.com/927/
> >
> > We will create even more confusion for Gentoo users with one more
> > tool to do the same stuff.
> >
> > Of course you are free to implement some separate wrapper package,
> > but it must be completely optional, since some users will have no
> > use for it including myself.
> >
> > Really, unifying distributions is futile. We will have either the
> > same and only distribution (to rule them all) or an attempt will
> > fail. The same way you can try to unify emerge and apt tools via
> > some wrapper manager.
>
> Fun fact: systemd was created to unify distributions in one init system.
 
Exactly. This case is perfectly covered by https://xkcd.com/927/ :)

Best regards,
Andrew Savchenko