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From: Steven J Long <slong@××××××××××××××××××.uk>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: A Little Council Reform Anyone?
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:51:20
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: A Little Council Reform Anyone? by Brian Harring
Brian Harring wrote:

> In terms of involvement in PMS, frankly it's not worth it from where > I'm sitting due to ciarans behaviour. > > It's not a matter of having thicker skin- it's literally a question of > worth. Is it worth trying to have a voice if it means exposing > yourself to BS behaviour?
I'll second that; it's impossible to discuss on bugzilla, as you just get trolled or spammed. The process appears to be moving to "get discussion off ML and onto bugzilla where it can be killed" which appears to be a subversion of things, from where I'm sitting; I thought the idea was to have ML discussion _before_ stuff was proposed for a new EAPI? You know, so that alternative approaches could be considered, the problem defined adequately, and so on, with reference to the wider, knowledgeable readership. As it is, we're now getting long lists of stuff dumped on to the ML as "the new EAPI" with little review beyond a post-hoc justification that "a Gentoo dev filed a bug asking for it." NB: I'm happy for there to be discussion via bugzilla, but not under ciaranm's supervision. After all, he's been proven to have issues when it comes to social interaction, which is pretty much essential to leading a project. And even then, I think ideas should be mooted to the list (via the RFC mechanism?) in line with the agreed process. The PMS list has the same problem: it's seen as ciaranm's domain, and we all know he doesn't set a collaborative tone, but rather one of conflict, which anyone on a clock can't be bothered with. Regrettably, if we don't get our 2c in, which is a hassle, we end up with more hassle further down the line. -- #friendly-coders -- We're friendly but we're not /that/ friendly ;-)


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: A Little Council Reform Anyone? Ciaran McCreesh <ciaran.mccreesh@××××××××××.com>