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From: Patrick Lauer <patrick@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: formally allow qa to suspend commit rights
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 00:19:07
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: formally allow qa to suspend commit rights by Alan McKinnon
1 On 01/20/2014 10:09 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
2 > On 01/20/14 15:59, Rich Freeman wrote:
3 >> On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 9:54 PM, Tom Wijsman <TomWij@g.o> wrote:
4 >>> #gentoo-qa | @hwoarang: pretty sure diego had the powerzz to suspend
5 >>> people
6 >>>
7 >>> Whether this has actually happened is something that is questionable;
8 >>
9 >> Not that this necessarily needs to make it into the GLEP, and I'm
10 >> still on the fence regarding whether we really need to make this
11 >> change at all, but things like access suspensions and other
12 >> administrative/disciplinary procedures should be documented. I think
13 >> whether this is a matter of public record or not is open to debate,
14 >> but I don't like the fact that we can really say for sure when/if this
15 >> has actually happened.
16 >
17 >
18 > Speaking as someone who had this power in his day job, for QA to be able
19 > to suspend accounts is a very bad idea indeed. It always ends badly. I
20 > suspended 20+ accounts in my current job over the years and the number
21 > of cases where it was the right thing to do is precisely 0.
23 I've been in positions where such powers were not granted, it's worse.
25 All you can do is send strongly-worded letters and undo, then wait for
26 the same thing to be tried again, while telling damagement that this
27 situation is not good.
29 >
30 > It was always a case of ill-advised action taken out of frustration, or
31 > bypass the training step, or don't try hard enough to reach the
32 > "infringer" and communicate like grown adults. Yup, I did all three.
34 Some people need more direct clues, and since violence in the workplace
35 is usually disallowed ...
37 > Suspending an account is a very serious thing to undertake, the effects
38 > on the suspended person are vast and this power should never lie with
39 > the person who is feeling the pain. Instead, there are well established
40 > channels to the body who can make the decision. If QA has a problem with
41 > a dev for any reason whatsoever, then QA should make a well-thought out
42 > case to that other body for decision. Anything else is madness and open
43 > invitation for it to all go south.
44 >
45 It's a serious thing, so it should have some consequences.
47 I'm mildly amused how everyone wants strong QA, but as soon as QA tries
48 to actually *do* something it's bad, and overstepping their boundaries,
49 and NIMBY.
51 Yey, we're allowed to sometimes do revert games, if we're asking nicely
52 ... and the only way to stop the revert game is for QA to stand down.
53 We're allowed to send strongly-worded emails, but getting things baked
54 into policy is too radical.
56 And the biggest "flamewar" so far was about cosmetic issues.
57 Y'know, if I get around to it I'll try to work towards making most of
58 these warnings fatal, then you can't accidentally add such things.
59 (And people not using repoman will have some extra fun!)
61 Have fun,
63 Patrick


Subject Author
Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: formally allow qa to suspend commit rights Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o>
Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: formally allow qa to suspend commit rights Alec Warner <antarus@g.o>
Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: formally allow qa to suspend commit rights Ciaran McCreesh <ciaran.mccreesh@××××××××××.com>