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On 16-06-2010 18:39, "Paweł Hajdan, Jr." wrote: |
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> On 6/16/10 5:33 AM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: |
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>> As I have heard there are people not joining Gentoo because the |
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>> atmosphere in Gentoo is lacking respect and empathy. |
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You are not the only one hearing that. If we jump over our own fences, |
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that will be much more visible. |
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> This is really sad. And the kind of people who value that often make |
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> good developers if they also have good technical skills. |
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>> I have searched a few places for rules on tone, |
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> I believe one can't solve this problem by using rules. |
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>> - With these Code of Conduct rules in place how come DevRel |
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>> is not publicly reminding of these rules where necessary? |
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> I think the initiative is on the offended person's side. If a developer |
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> is being aggressive and needlessly argumentative towards other people, |
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> that's clearly a misconduct. Similarly for aggressive users. |
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>> Could it be we expect perfection from each other instead seeking to |
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>> understand and complement each other? |
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> That might be a part of it. |
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>> What can we do to make Gentoo a friendlier community? |
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> We need leadership. I remember very well when the leader of one of the |
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> Gentoo projects I participate in reminded me to always say "thanks" to |
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> people who are helping us on Bugzilla. A small thing, but wasn't he right? |
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Damn right. Motivation is something that is very easy to lose. If we |
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developers don't show users that we appreciate their contributions (even |
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when we don't), we risk losing potential contributions in the future. |
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I've seen some bugs [sorry no references right now] where some |
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developers point out facts in a *very* aggressive way. Even when what |
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they have to say is true, they will scare away people. Is this what we want? |
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I understand there are a lot of factors that leads into a aggressive |
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response: private life, karma, the persistence of people doing things |
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*wrong*, etc.. we are humans after all. But if such behavior is the rule |
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instead of the exception, then I believe something is wrong and devrel |
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should be brought into attention. |
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- Angelo |
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> I believe it's the project leaders and the Council who ultimately set |
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> the tone. |
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> Paweł |
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