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From: Michael Marineau <marineam@×××××××××.edu>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Revisiting GLEP 19
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 03:10:49
Message-Id: 40FDDEB5.8020603@engr.orst.edu
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Revisiting GLEP 19 by Barry Shaw
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6 | I guess what I'm describing isn't strictly an enterprise gentoo (which I
7 | don't think the community has the resources to support), more of a
8 | slowed down version of the main portage tree. In my experience
9 | maintaining a couple of hundred of gentoo machines centrally, its the
10 | rapid pace of change in the main tree that causes problems. We only
11 | only upgrade packages for security reasons, but whenever we do this, we
12 | are forced to upgrade a multitude of other packages because they've
13 | dropped out of portage. If we only had to upgrade packages for security
14 | and depreciation reasons it would make for a much more stable
15 | environment for the end users (which is what we're after ultimately) and
16 | ~ it would make maintenence more manageable.
17 I like this idea. It fits better with the way Gentoo already runs, and will
18 work nicely once the pending glsa/emerge integration is complete. Another
19 thought on top of this is that it would make sense to throw out the idea of
20 enterprise snapshots alltogether. Instead, on the local system never force a
21 user to install a new version if their current version's ebuild is removed from
22 portage. So basicly, use the ebuilds that are already cached as a portage
23 overly. This also has a second benifit on the unstable side. If someone needs
24 to install an unstable package but that ebuild is later dropped in favor of a
25 newer unstable version currently on the next emerge sync; emerge -Up world; the
26 unstable package will be uninstalled and replaced by the current stable version
27 (unless the issue is first addressed before the update). This can be
28 troublesom, especially if someone is to quick and didn't notice that the
29 package is being downgraded.
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