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From: Denis Dupeyron <calchan@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Council meeting 19 April 2010
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 01:28:05
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Council meeting 19 April 2010 by Richard Freeman
1 On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Richard Freeman <rich0@g.o> wrote:
2 > Sure, it is the best way to make big changes
4 Why then use anything else than the best tool when you can use the
5 best tool? I didn't say that he should work on a GLEP though, but that
6 he should "feel free" to do so, which is different. That meant that if
7 he thought there was a point to it, was willing to do it, etc...
9 Just a note about this. The council could for example make the
10 decision to centralize all the documentation in a wiki, force the doc
11 team to use tools they haven't chosen or even take that responsibility
12 out of their hands. Basically step on their toes. Nice way to show
13 respect for all the hard work they've done for years. Or this could be
14 discussed on the relevant mailing-list(s) by everybody who feels
15 concerned, input from the whole community (including the doc team)
16 could be gathered, council members could chime in (I usually do),
17 dissenting opinions could be documented, a consensus could be reached
18 and then design decisions could be documented. See GLEP 1 for more
19 information on that work flow.
21 Gentoo has been driven by consensus since Daniel left, for better or
22 for worse. You might not like this way to work, but that's OK. I
23 didn't say I thought it was optimal either. All I know is I'm going by
24 the book, but it allows me to rewrite some pages when I don't like
25 them. The good news is that during the last meeting the council has
26 decided to initiate an overhaul of GLEP 39. I'm still gathering
27 material from various sources to start the discussions open to all
28 users and developers. At that point you'll have the opportunity to
29 suggest anything you think may improve the way the council works.
31 > However, the council can
32 > still show leadership in affirming their agreement on issues even if it
33 > isn't a formal affair.
35 We don't need a meeting for that. We can show leadership on the
36 mailing-lists everyday. What do you think I'm doing right now for
37 example? And by the way I don't believe that issuing a statement along
38 the lines of "Yep, we agree" shows any leadership at all.
39 Additionally, leadership is not about doing your job. You may want to
40 peruse the council meeting logs and summaries for examples of
41 leadership, and vote for real leaders next time if you think we suck.
43 > I'm sure every other town government in the Western
44 > World has taken a vote in support of their troops or something like that
45 > without going through the official lawmaking process and all that - it is
46 > just a gesture.
48 We've been down that road many times before, but let me say it again:
49 Gentoo is not a government, so any comparison to one is pointless.
51 > I don't have the time to create such a website although I would agree that
52 > it is sorely needed.  Hence, I will try to be careful in throwing around
53 > criticism - it is much easier to bring problems to the table than
54 > solutions...
56 Wise words, although constructive criticism is always welcome. In
57 order to be really constructive however, criticism needs among other
58 things to take into account goals, resources, history and rules.
60 Denis.