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On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:35 PM, William Hubbs <williamh@g.o> wrote: |
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> On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 09:36:30AM +0200, Michał Górny wrote: |
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>> Fellow devs, |
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>> I've started working on bringing systemd to Gentoo [1] lately, |
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>> and I think it is important to raise the aspect of systemd unit |
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>> inclusion in various packages in gx86 ASAP. |
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>> The number of packages coming with systemd units is growing rapidly |
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>> recently, and that especially applies to freedesktop packages. |
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>> One side effect of that is that these packages treat systemd |
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>> as an automagic dependency, installing systemd units whenever its |
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>> pkgconfig file is installed. I already opened two bugs on that [2,3] |
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>> but there would be much more... |
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> I think the better way to handle this will be to patch the build systems |
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> to not make this an automagic dependency and send those patches |
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> upstream. |
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> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/qa/automagic.xml |
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> I'm not a member of qa, but I agree with this position on automagic |
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> dependencies. |
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I'm speaking as a simple user, but I don't think the systemd unit |
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files qualify as automagic dependencies as described by the QA |
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document. In the first place, as Michael pointed out, we can disable |
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them with --without-systemdsystemunitdir, so there is no magic at all. |
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In the second place, the usual Gentoo way of enabling OpenRC services |
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is to *add* init.d scripts in the ebuild, and this is completely |
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orthogonal to a package installing a systemd unit file (the presence |
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of the later does not matter to OpenRC at all). And finally, the idea |
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of systemd is to be a completely distro-agnostic init system, without |
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the multiple failures of SysV, and without the one-company-rule of |
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Upstart; this seems to be actually working, hence a lot of downstream |
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packages are willing (and eager) to ship systemd unit files. The init |
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scripts belong to the packages, they know best how the |
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service/whatever needs to be run. |
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I'm using Gentoo+systemd since a couple of months, and it works |
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incredible well. And I really like the idea of freeing the rather |
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precious Gentoo-developers time off of writing init scripts. |
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Just my 0.02 ${CURRENCY/100}. |
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> William |
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Canek Peláez Valdés |
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Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación |
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Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México |
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