Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: make opaque list partially translucent?

[Evan Powers]

Oops, really have to watch that, sent it to Kurt rather than the list....

On Wednesday 23 April 2003 08:28 am, Kurt Lieber wrote:
> This is already being done via the GWN.  Some of the stories that have been
> pulled *directly* from -core conversations:

I agree with you completely about the need for privacy in the internal list, 
to avoid politics leaking out.

But I think I can provide a counter example to the list of stories you 
mentioned: the reorganization of ebuild-maintainership into teams, and the 
desire to fix the stagnant-bugzilla problem.

My point is that people who follow gentoo-dev generally aren't surprised by 
what they read in GWN. But I, personally, have seemed to notice a pattern on 
-dev and other lists:

1) A user posts something
2) People start replying and a discussion takes off
3) A developer shows up and says the dev team is already talking about this, 
but usually doesn't mention specifics
[4) the next GWN issue mentions the subject]

The -core list is the only plausible thing we, from the outside, see to blame.

> Most of the stuff on -core is, well, boring.  There's a lot of stuff that
> belongs on -dev -- as others have said, we're working on fixing that.

If I were a developer, I'd want to field my idea with a smaller group first, 
meaning the -core list. But my impression is that once the -core list starts 
talking about something, it doesn't get moved to the -dev list. Which is why 
I proposed a small group of people (non-devs) assigned the task of relaying 
such things to -dev.

Do any of the GWN writers actually have access to the -core list? Seemant 
seemed to say they didn't in his "To the unhappy folks" post, though he did 
say you often voluntarily relay stuff (thanks, btw). I just think that 
relationship should be formalized somehow. Pull from our side, rather than 
push from yours.

Evan


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