Re: [gentoo-dev] 2009 Council Elections

[Tiziano Müller]

Am Sonntag, den 28.06.2009, 16:40 +0100 schrieb Roy Bamford:
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> On 2009.06.28 10:00, Tiziano Müller wrote:
> > Am Freitag, den 26.06.2009, 07:15 -0600 schrieb Denis Dupeyron:
> > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:46 AM, Ben de Groot<yngwin@g.o>
> > wrote:
> > > > To appoint as proxy for a council meeting someone who has been
> > booted
> > > > from Gentoo is a clear lapse of judgement, and would in my eyes
> > > > disqualify the involved council member from functioning in that
> > position.
> > >
> > > As Petteri noted it's not obvious that GLEP39 disallows choosing a
> > > non-dev as proxy for a council meeting. I haven't talked to
> > Tiziano,
> > > and I don't know what he had in mind when he chose ciaranm as his
> > > proxy, but I'd be ready to believe part of it was that he wanted to
> > > experiment.
> > Well, it was surely not an experiment to see whether someone must be
> > a
> > dev or not to be a proxy. Based on GLEP 39 it was fairly clear to me
> > this must not be the case and I at least expected the council to
> > accept
> > him (or any other non-dev) at least for that meeting.
> >
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> > --
> > Tiziano Müller
> > Gentoo Linux Developer, Council Member
> > Areas of responsibility:
> >   Samba, PostgreSQL, CPP, Python, sysadmin, GLEP Editor
> > E-Mail   : dev-zero@g.o
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> Its my opinion that the concept of proxies in council meetings is
> fatally flawed.

As I stated in at least one mail before (and in countless discussions on
IRC): I'd like to see the proxy-concept being removed since it is flawed
as you point out below and replaced with something like "a council
member may miss N meetings with M of them without prior notice"
And then remove that slacker mark as well and just say: "if you miss
more than those N meetings or miss M meetings without prior notice you
get kicked". And for those who like the slacker mark to see who has
missed a lot of meetings or missed meetings repeatedly we could have a
statistics summary on proj/en/council with the number of missed meetings
per member.

Cheers,
Tiziano

> 1. The brief (if any) that the proxy is given by the council member
> being proxied is never made public.
>
> 2. Its never clear if the proxy is voting as instructed by the council
> member or as they see fit at the time.
>
> What if an entire meeting and therefore any votes were staffed by
> entirely by non gentoo developer proxies?
> Unlikely, but perfectly possible under GLEP39. Would Gentoo feel bound
> by decisions that such a meeting reached?
>
> Oh. Don't talk about 'common sense' GLEP39 does not mention it, so it
> doesn't count ... and its much rarer than you may think.
>
> Lastly, as a trustee and partly legally responsible for decisions made
> on behalf of Gentoo, I am uneasy with the concept of non developers
> making those decisions. Now reread my 'what if' above with that
> liability in mind.
>
> Note: Other trustees may have a different view of the world
>
> - --
> Regards,
>
> Roy Bamford
> (NeddySeagoon) a member of
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Tiziano Müller
Gentoo Linux Developer, Council Member
Areas of responsibility:
  Samba, PostgreSQL, CPP, Python, sysadmin, GLEP Editor
E-Mail   : dev-zero@g.o
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