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On 10/15/2019 13:34, David Seifert wrote: |
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> On Tue, 2019-10-15 at 12:04 -0400, Mike Gilbert wrote: |
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>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 12:02 PM Mike Gilbert <floppym@g.o> |
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>> wrote: |
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>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 8:00 AM David Seifert <soap@g.o> |
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>>> wrote: |
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>>>> On Sun, 2019-10-13 at 12:33 -0400, Mike Gilbert wrote: |
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>>>>> On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 1:52 PM David Seifert <soap@g.o> |
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>>>>> wrote: |
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>>>>>> On Sat, 2019-10-12 at 19:01 +0200, Dennis Schridde wrote: |
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>>>>>>> On Samstag, 12. Oktober 2019 18:02:28 CEST William Hubbs |
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>>>>>>> wrote: |
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>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 01:11:49PM +0200, Michał Górny |
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>>>>>>>> wrote: |
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>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2019-10-12 at 13:00 +0200, David Seifert wrote: |
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>>>>>>>>>> * Some distros have not just merged / and /usr, they |
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>>>>>>>>>> |
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>>>>>>>>>> have also merged /usr/bin and /usr/sbin. By giving |
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>>>>>>>>>> users the choice of merging */bin and */sbin, |
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>>>>>>>>>> Gentoo follows suit. |
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>>>>>>>>> |
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>>>>>>>>> What about the scenario when /bin has been merged with |
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>>>>>>>>> /usr/sbin |
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>>>>>>>>> and /sbin with /usr/bin? ;-P |
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>>>>>>>> |
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>>>>>>>> I also don't see the need for something like this. The |
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>>>>>>>> idea of |
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>>>>>>>> the |
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>>>>>>>> /usr |
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>>>>>>>> merge is to have all binaries available in one place, and |
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>>>>>>>> there |
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>>>>>>>> really |
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>>>>>>>> is not a good justification for separating bin from sbin. |
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>>>>>>> |
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>>>>>>> Do I read this correctly? USE=-split-usr currently means |
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>>>>>>> that |
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>>>>>>> /bin, |
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>>>>>>> /sbin, / |
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>>>>>>> usr/bin and /usr/sbin point to the same directory? |
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>>>>>>> |
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>>>>>>> If that is not the case, then I agree that users should |
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>>>>>>> have the |
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>>>>>>> possibility |
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>>>>>>> to set it up like this and USE=-split-sbin should be |
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>>>>>>> supported. |
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>>>>>>> |
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>>>>>>> --Dennis |
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>>>>>> I agree, I wasn't aware that USE=-split-usr implies the |
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>>>>>> complete 2- |
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>>>>>> level (/usr and *sbin) merge. In that case, all of this is |
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>>>>>> obsolete. |
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>>>>> |
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>>>>> That was NOT my intention when I introduced the split-usr USE |
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>>>>> flag. |
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>>>>> |
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>>>>> For bin/sbin, I would prefer to drop any conflicting links |
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>>>>> unconditionally. Do you have examples of scenarios where this |
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>>>>> is not |
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>>>>> possible? |
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>>>>> |
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>>>> |
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>>>> William has confirmed on IRC that USE=-split-usr performs the |
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>>>> complete |
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>>>> Fedora-esque /usr merge (which makes sense IMO). |
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>>> |
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>>> William's opinion is not the only one that matters. |
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>> |
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>> Sorry, I guess you are referring to the behavior baselayout? That |
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>> doesn't necessarily align with the global usage. |
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>> |
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> https://gitweb.gentoo.org/proj/baselayout.git/tree/Makefile#n93 |
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> Clearly the usr-merge in baselayout intends to merge all these 4 |
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> directories. There is currently no option to merge /usr and / but keep |
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> /bin and /sbin separate, so the most parsimonious solution here is to |
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> assume that usr-merge semantics in Gentoo is about merging all 4 |
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> directories. |
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What is the source or origin point of the desire to merge /sbin into /bin? |
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I know Fedora/RedHat championed the /usr/[s]bin into /[s]bin bit, but this |
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is the first I've heard of trying to put all executables in one spot. I |
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have my doubts about such an idea, but want to see what the rationale is |
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this time before writing the idea off to the funny farm. |
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My understanding for the separation was system binaries that only the |
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superuser needs to touch go into /sbin and everything else into /bin. This |
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allowed for unpriv user PATHs to exclude /sbin (and in times antiquity, also |
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exclude /usr/sbin). |
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