Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] Email subdomain

[Jakub Moc]

19.11.2005, 10:31:23, Thierry Carrez wrote:

> Corey Shields wrote:

>>>Before deciding on such proposals, it might be also wise to consult infra
>>>people who'll have to implement and maintain such things, IMHO. And, how
>>>exactly will be people having multiple roles handled here - still missing a
>>>clear answer...
>>
>> Jakub++  Nobody in infra is on board with this idea, so you will be hard
>> pressed to find someone willing to implement it.

> What I find disturbing here is that nobody found the issue interesting
> enough to read the October Council decisions as to what was needed to be
> changed for the GLEP to be approved. But when, one month later, those
> requirements have been met and the GLEP approved, lots of people
> discover that the issue is interesting and complain about it (when it's
> a little too late to be changed).

Erm, what exactly could have been discussed, the revised GLEP being submitted
about a day before the council meeting? Are you expecting people to hang on
email 24/7?

> I'm losing faith in Gentoo. When the GLEP was first discussed, the
> general mood was that we shouldn't give ATs the same powers than we give
> to devs (in particular, no right to vote for the Council), and in
> consequence a need to tell them apart. The Council rejected the proposed
> GLEP in that sense. Now, the mood is like the Council want to yellowstar
> some part of our contributors... and the discussion happen on the same list.

> You can't just ignore the discussion and the iterim decisions and
> complain afterwards when the decision is taken.

I've already mentioned that I don't oppose to AT concept and making them
official Gentoo stuff (and a couple of people did that as well), but drawing
the distinction around an email address, resulting in troubles for
infrastructure and hassle for users/other devs has not been properly considered
apparently; still waiting for someone to show a single benefit of such an
arrangement.

Email address is a means of communication with people, not a *power*. If
anyone's interested in/does care for what's the exact role of that particular
person in Gentoo, that's what roll-call is for. AT or not, any person w/
@gentoo.org email address is representing Gentoo, users don't care what's the
difference between ATs, forums staff and full devs and I don't see why exactly
they should even care. Users also don't care if someone has CVS commit privs or
voting rights. These are internal Gentoo things, email address is not playing
any role in that.

Now, we might we perhaps move the focus to more important issues jstubbs
mentioned in his last email, expecting that any implementation of the now
approved GLEP wrt the email addresses won't be pushed in a similar way the
whole revised GLEP has been, until infra issues and usefulness of this are
sorted out/reconsidered at least.


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jakub