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From: Patrick Lauer <patrick@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 20:40:07
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel by Sebastian Pipping
1 On 06/17/10 22:09, Sebastian Pipping wrote:
2 > Patrick,
3 >
4 >
5 > On 06/17/10 18:21, Patrick Lauer wrote:
6 >> Now of course this will cause friction. I've noticed it especially with
7 >> germanic and slavic languages that are more terse than english.
8 >> For example "Sit down!" is acceptable in all situations in german,
9 >
10 > maybe acceptable, sure not polite or friendly.
12 "Hey, komm, setz dich."
14 "Ey, du Arsch, setz dich, sonst schmeiss ich dich raus!"
16 exactly the same words, just defined by the context - and if you leave
17 that away it's only intonation.
18 The english or french equivalent ends up as different sentences ...
20 >> You can extrapolate the friction this can and will cause. So unless
21 >> someone actively personally insults me I'll just assume it got lost in
22 >> translation.
23 >
24 > I understand "extrapolating friction" as having the receiver fixing
25 > potential miscommunication. Is that what you meant?
26 I meant to say "you can easily guess how much trouble that causes"
27 And here we see how difficult languages can be as you managed to get
28 something quite different out of it ...
30 [snip]
32 >> So let's not get too hung up on single words, stop
33 >> floodmailing and resume fixing bugs, mmmhkay?
34 >
35 > Are you asking me to shut up?
36 > In case floodmailing refers to me: I'm not done yet.
38 You're one of the more persistent persons on the mailing lists.
39 I don't see the point of arguing the same thing for days with no end in
40 sight ... for me, personally, there are better ways to use my time. For
41 example reading the quizzes my recruits are working on and pointing out
42 the problems they still have. Or bugwrangling a bit just for fun.
44 > We have more or less ignored non-technical issues for quite some time
45 > concentrating on technical issues as that's easier. The thing is:
46 > Technical things work much better in Gentoo than non-technical things.
47 >
48 > Let me repeat: Technical is not our main problem.
50 Ok then. What's the possible solutions? Which options do we have, what
51 are their advantages and disadvantages? Why didn't we apply that
52 solution before?
54 Just complaining that things suck and life isn't fair won't help.
55 Finding a goal and working towards it until you are done will.
57 Have fun,
59 Patrick