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From: "Thomas Rösner" <Thomas.Roesner@××××××××××××××.de>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: [gentoo-dev] Sad
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 01:13:42
Message-Id: 45EB6F3B.2050301@digital-trauma.de
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Little respect towards Daniel please by Ciaran McCreesh
1 Hi,
2
3 Disclaimer**:
4 this mail is not meant to point the finger at someone, as I (thankfully)
5 don't know enough about who did what first to whom to do that; in fact,
6 I think no one does at this point.
7
8 Ciaran McCreesh schrieb:
9 > On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 23:31:56 +0000 (UTC) Hubert Mercier
10 > <anigel@g.o> wrote:
11 >
12 >> In the last months, a some talented devs gone, and a few others were
13 >> thinking to do so. How much more before deciding to simplify our
14 >> organisation ?
15 >>
16 >
17 > Simplifying it won't help. If Gentoo wants more developers, it has to
18 > do three things:
19 >
20 > * Start delivering again. Not just shiny things, although some new shiny
21 > things would help, but also things that users and developers really
22 > need.
23 >
24 > * Substantially reduce user-visible breakages and breakages caused by
25 > carelessness or deliberate negligence that take huge amounts of time to
26 > fix.
27 >
28 > * Reduce the amount of arcane undocumented voodoo.
29 >
30
31 And, above all,
32
33 * stop to treat -dev (and the projects) as the ideal battleground for
34 personalities, the home of flames, the temple of mailwar.
35
36 You know what people state* as the major benefit from using Gentoo? It's
37 not portage, not the tree, certainly not stability or ease of use, it's
38 two things, the community and flexibility. In this order.
39
40 You all are a very visible part of that community.
41
42 > The only relevance of organisational issues is whether they help or
43 > hinder in achieving those objectives.
44 >
45
46 I'll use those words for my point, instead. The above list could be the
47 agenda of Microsoft, too (or Sun, IBM, ...); I don't want to say they're
48 unimportant, that would of course be wrong, but is *this* the core of
49 Gentoo? If you deliver, how you behave doesn't count? Scream all you
50 like, if you attach a patch? Hey, let's make each others life hell, as
51 long as we get releases out the door.
52
53 Will that work? I doubt it.
54
55 > PMS, in a round-about way, helps with all three.
56
57 Regards,
58 Thomas (who is just a user, until last week was pondering to help
59 out, until today advocated Gentoo, and who cares too much for it to stay
60 quiet, even if he doubts anyone will read this mail the way it was meant
61 to be)
62
63 * Yes, people I ask and people i know. No, I don't have a statistic at
64 hand. I can make one up if you want :-).
65 ** Gentoo-Dev, where mails need a disclaimer, or someone *will* take it
66 personal.
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