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On 3/2/08, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò <flameeyes@×××××.com> wrote: |
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> I know this is going to stir up quite some discussion, but I do think |
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> it's worth trying requesting it at least. |
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> In the past two years we had quite a few applications from students that |
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> were already full-fledged Gentoo developers. I sincerely would like that |
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> this year we put as a rule that Gentoo developers cannot partecipate in |
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> Summer of Code as students for Gentoo. |
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> I'm not asking to penalise Gentoo developers are students. But I |
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> sincerely think the main goal of Summer of Code is to allow new people |
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> to enter the scene of Free Software, to understand how Free Software |
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> projects work and so on. Gentoo Developers are already pretty well |
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> "inside" this world. |
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OK |
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> I think it should be a self-made decision to abstain from applying as a |
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> student for what you already partecipate in, but as such concerns don't |
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> seem to be widespread (at least as the last two years shown), I'm asking |
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> for a formal decision to all the developers. If that is requested, I'm |
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> even willing to bring this in front of the council. |
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The summer of code faq specifically addresses this question; so |
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obviously it was a concern and they dealt with it. |
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> Gentoo's ranks are quite reduced nowadays, and a few persons have shown |
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> conerns about our current recruiting methods being able to judge clearly |
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> technical and social skills, as well as the time one is ready to pour |
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> into the project. I think SoC could be used as a pretty good recruiting |
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> method: as you are going to work quite a bit with the student, you can |
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> easily judge availability and technical and social skills. Leaving SoC |
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> applications open to developers means wasting this opportunity. |
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OK |
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> There are many other organisations partecipating, I think it would be |
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> quite feasible for Gentoo developers wanting to be a student SoC to |
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> choose another one, in which they are not involved already. Yes it's |
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> easier for them to do something for Gentoo as they are already |
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> contributing, but that is not the point of Summer of Code, the point is |
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> to introduce new people into projects, not giving money to people to do |
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> what they already do. |
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Your entire argument is based on the assumption that the Summer of |
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Code program's primary goal is to recruit new developers for Open |
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Source projects. While this is one goal I am unsure if holding it |
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above the others is necessary. |
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> And just to take a stance, even if this request is to be rejected, I'm |
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> not going to mentor a student that is already a Gentoo developer, for |
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> sure. |
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Your choice, as I badly wrote in the guide[1], mentors must be williing. |
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> So to be clear, I'm not trying to look down to anybody, I don't even |
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> want to stop people from being paid for their work. I just wish that we |
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> can focus this opportunity to improve the Gentoo project as a whole. |
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I disagree and I will mentor anyone who meets Google's submission |
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requirements and who writes a good proposal. |
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-Alec |
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[1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/userrel/soc/mentoring.xml |
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