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From: William Hubbs <williamh@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: switching default udev provider for new systems to udev
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2020 20:57:42
Message-Id: 20200808205735.GA27347@linux1.home
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: switching default udev provider for new systems to udev by Roy Bamford
1 On Sat, Aug 08, 2020 at 09:17:20PM +0100, Roy Bamford wrote:
2 > On 2020.08.08 19:51, William Hubbs wrote:
3 > > All,
4 > >
5 > > I would like to propose that we switch the default udev provider on
6 > > new
7 > > systems from eudev to udev.
8 > >
9 > > This is not a lastrites, and it will not affect current systems since
10 > > they have to migrate manually. Also, this change can be overridden at
11 > > the profile level if some profile needs eudev (the last time I
12 > > checked,
13 > > this applies to non-glibc configurations).
14 > >
15 > > What do people think?
16 > >
17 > > Thanks,
18 > >
19 > > William
20 > >
21 > >
22 >
23 > William,
24 >
25 > With the declared aim from upstream of making udev inseparable from
26 > systemd, its not something to be done lightly.
27 > That's the entire reason that eudev was necessary.
28
29 Eudev never became necessary unless you are using a non-glibc system,
30 and as I said, this can be handled in the profiles.
31 Udev runs completely fine without systemd, so I fail to see how eudev
32 is necessary for most of Gentoo.
33
34 > I would want some convincing that it was not another step on the road
35 > to Gentoo being assimilated by systemd.
36 >
37 > We had this discussion several years ago when the default became
38 > eudev. What's changed?
39
40 If systemd folks do make udev inseparable from systemd, then we would
41 need eudev to be the default, but as I see it right now, there is not
42 a case for it being the default.
43
44 Another thing to consider is bus factor (eudev is maintained by one
45 person primarily, so I have doubts about its viability as the default.
46
47 William

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