Re: [gentoo-dev] Some council topics for March meeting

[Ciaran McCreesh]

On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 01:58:30 -0800 (PST) "Alec Warner"
<antarus@g.o> wrote:
> So you are saying you cannot see Daniel's point of view at all?  That
> Gentoo should perhaps have input on a specification whose goal is to
> essentially define what a Gentoo Package Manager should be?  Because
> right now the input is very limited.  Gentoo developers are working
> on it, the council can see it, but other interested parties cannot.
> He sees that as a problem.  I tend to disagree with his point of view
> in this case; but I can at least see where he is coming from and the
> point he is trying to make.  Some people want transparency in the
> process.

Plenty of Gentoo people have input. When it's ready, any Gentoo or
non-Gentoo person who hasn't gotten themselves procmailed will have
input.

> Because it is difficult to determine 'people who know what they are
> talking about'.  I would say Brian Harring is one of those, but I
> have a feeling you would disagree with me.  All I really know is that
> I am not one of those people.  I think this is once again part of
> Daniel's point. Interested parties should be able to collaborate
> (even if it's in a private repo to keep prying eyes away).  But you
> are basically turning away a portion of interested parties.

Interested parties are more than welcome to ask for access. Not a
single person who is complaining about lack of transparency has done so.

> I can see why he thinks this is a bad approach.  As I said; I
> personally don't care.  I trust the council will take a good approach
> when PMS is ready for peer review.  But at the same time I can't just
> blatantly discard Daniel's ideas as hogwash because I can understand
> his position.

The "when it's ready" part is essential. As far as I can see, Daniel
considers "anything written at all" to be "ready for peer review".
Those of us writing it consider "most things written, but some parts a
bit rough" to be ready for restricted peer review, and "we're happy
with it but don't claim it's perfect" to be ready for a free for all.
Publishing anything before then will just lead to people spending ages
pointing out things we already know, which adds nothing -- we want
people to be telling us things we don't know.

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Ciaran McCreesh
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