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From: Jaco Kroon <jaco@××××××.za>
To: Marek Szuba <marecki@g.o>, gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 0/6] Make 'split-usr' USE flag global and use it in gen_usr_ldscript
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 14:45:29
Message-Id: a1a71184-ddee-3d3f-9497-69201e9fea2a@uls.co.za
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 0/6] Make 'split-usr' USE flag global and use it in gen_usr_ldscript by Marek Szuba
1 I have no idea who wrote this:
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3 "The historical justification for a /bin, /sbin and /lib separate from
4 /usr no longer applies today." but I strongly disagree.
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6 Again, if /usr goes belly up (which with recent ext4/io bug(s) we've had
7 probably about 10 systems already that needed repairing, and at least 5
8 more that's pending), this fault would require me to head out to site to
9 go and repair where currently due to fsck et al living on / and not on
10 /usr I could recover without issues.
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12 We've been unable to track an exact issue, but all of the affected
13 systems was running 4.14.X kernels, we've not seen the same corruption
14 from 5.0.2 onwards.  So we never filed a bug and simply upgraded kernels.
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16 Further, none of the arguments for merging / and /usr makes any sense
17 other than "others have already done this and if we don't follow suite
18 we'll get cut off".  Not even the statement about network share of /usr
19 makes any sense.  We run completely diskless systems with even / over
20 nfs ... so seriously.
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22 Even most of the myths and facts arguments are plainly uneducated.
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24 Essentially what happens now is that an initrd needs to be built to
25 contain ALL recovery tools that could possibly be required. Where
26 previously, with / being mostly read-only this was still a risk worth
27 taking.
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29 Anyway, from the looks of this, this is just another comply or die
30 situation, so I'm not seeing that there is much choice or say in this
31 matter.  We'll just have to bloat our initrd's even further. 
32 Fortunately they do get freed post post ... just hoping they'll fit into
33 the existing /boot partitions we have on our systems.
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36 Kind Regards,
37 Jaco Kroon
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57 On 2019/07/15 16:22, Marek Szuba wrote:
58 > On 2019-07-15 14:59, Jaco Kroon wrote:
59 >
60 >> I've seen arguments that it's a historic split, and to an extent this is
61 >> true, however, having critical system recovery (and basic boot) stuff in
62 >> /, on as small as possible a partition, with the bulk of the system on
63 >> /usr makes a lot of sense for me.
64 > That's one of the reasons, yes. For a more in-depth discussion, see
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66 > https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TheCaseForTheUsrMerge/
67 >
68 > as well as the Fedora feature the above mentions.
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70 > ))/io

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