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From: (Diego 'Flameeyes' =?utf-8?Q?Petten=C3=B2?=)
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Should preserve-libs be enabled by default?
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 09:03:41
In Reply to: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Should preserve-libs be enabled by default? by Marius Mauch
1 Marius Mauch <genone@g.o> writes:
3 > Also it is not going to be a perfect solution against all runtime link
4 > errors, but if enabled it should eliminate the need for revdep-rebuild
5 > in most cases.
7 I'm afraid that it will turn, for complex libraries like libexpat and
8 users not using --as-needed, the message telling you the program cannot
9 be started with subtle crashes for symbol collision.
11 preserve-libs would be quite perfect if all libraries out there used
12 versioned symbol, but this is far from true (and some systems Gentoo
13 runs on don't even consider versioned symbol to begin with).
15 Example at hand? When the libexpat transition started, the choice of
16 keeling .so.0 around with .so.1 was discarded right away because:
18 - library libfoo links to libexpat;
19 - program bar links to libfoo;
20 - user is not using --as-needed, so bar has a NEEDED against both libfoo
21 and libexpat;
22 - user rebuilds libfoo, but not bar; or bar and not libfoo, the result
23 is the same;
24 - KABOOM! symbol collision and bar crashes.
26 As much as we want preserve-libs to be an all-curing magic, it's
27 not. When you need to replace a library you need to do so _for all its
28 users at once_, if you allow it to be gradually you're opening the
29 hellgate of symbol collision.
31 My solution would be to disallow _building_ anything that is or depends
32 directly or indirectly on a package on the set until it is removed, or
33 at the request of merging "mickeymouse", depending on "bar", re-emerging
34 libfoo first, and bar if the user is not using --as-needed (checking the
35 NEEDED lines).
37 With all due respect to everybody, the right course of action here has
38 to be selected by people who knows how the runtime linker works, symbol
39 collision and all the rest, as that's what's at stake here.
41 --
42 Diego "Flameeyes" Pettenò