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From: "Michał Górny" <mgorny@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Anti-spam for goose
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 19:59:03
Message-Id: b8a79c8fb5aef1add9f136ff46088f8238a2fd77.camel@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Anti-spam for goose by Kent Fredric
1 On Sat, 2020-05-23 at 07:20 +1200, Kent Fredric wrote:
2 > On Thu, 21 May 2020 10:47:07 +0200
3 > Michał Górny <mgorny@g.o> wrote:
4 >
5 > > Other ideas
6 > > ===========
7 > > Do you have any other ideas on how we could resolve this?
8 >
9 > And a question I'd like to revisit, because nobody responded to it:
10 >
11 > - What are the incentives a would-be spammer has to spam this service.
12 >
13 > Services that see spam *typically* have a definable objective.
14 >
15 > *Typically* it revolves around the ability to submit /arbitrary text/,
16 > which allows them to hawk something, and this becomes a profit motive.
17 >
18 > If we implement data validation so that there's no way for them to
19 > profit off what they spam, seems likely they'll be less motivated to
20 > develop the necessary circumvention tools. ( as in, we shouldn't accept
21 > arbitrary CAT/PN pairs as being valid until something can confirm those
22 > pairs exist in reality )
23 >
24 > There may be people trying to jack the data up, but ... it seems a less
25 > worthy target.
26 >
27 > So it seems the largest risk isn't so much "spam", but "denial of
28 > service", or "data pollution".
29
30 I've meant 'spam' as 'undesired submissions'. You seem to have used
31 a very narrow definition of 'spam' to argue into reaching the same
32 problem under different name.
33
34 Let's put it like this. This thing starts working. Package X is
35 broken, and we see that almost nobody is using it. We remove that
36 package. Now somebody is angry. He submits a lot of fake data to
37 render the service useless so that we don't make any future decisions
38 based on it.
39
40 --
41 Best regards,
42 Michał Górny

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Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Anti-spam for goose Fabian Groffen <grobian@g.o>
Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Anti-spam for goose Kent Fredric <kentnl@g.o>