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On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Eray Aslan <eras@g.o> wrote: |
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> On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 10:44:48AM -0400, Alec Warner wrote: |
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> > [1] Which isn't to say that I would accept 'orders' to commit crimes, or |
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> > other obviously bad things. |
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> This is the crux of the problem. There are certain lines you will not |
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> cross. I am saying that my line is different and by voicing that, |
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> hopefully, making you re-consider yours. |
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> > I'm again asserting that this idea is not |
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> > fundamentally bad. The community has a 'toxic people problem' and our |
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> > previous attempts at resolution have not really produced great results. |
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> > Will this also produce great results? Not sure. But willing to try it. |
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> Openness, transparency, inclusiveness. Those are some pretty |
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> fundemental values. Reconsider. But if you decide to go ahead, I am |
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> not going to judge you. You (or the council members who voted yes) are |
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> not bad persons. Just somewhat different values - which is surprising |
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> in a sad way. |
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I think of my aim is just playing a longer field here. I've been a part of |
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Gentoo for a long time. I've considered leaving numerous |
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times for a variety of reasons; yet I remain. |
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I don't disagree that the issue is important, but leaving an organization |
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really changes the velocity and direction of influence one |
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can have on it. Traditionally I have not seen external contributors have a |
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strong influence in Gentoo; so leaving to me implies a |
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loss of influence. If my goal is to have a good outcome; I'm not convinced |
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leaving accomplishes it. If I leave, will the council change their mind? |
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Why would they? |
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Perhaps you think myself (and other developers) should do more and I think |
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that is a reasonable thing to advocate for; but I'm also fairly happy with |
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a timeline |
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of: |
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1) We add moderation in ~April. |
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2) Council election happens in summer (I expect something of a strong |
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reckoning here, in terms of council makeup.) |
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3) Council` repeals the previous decision and we undo the moderation[1]. |
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I tend to like this approach because I feel like its how the organization |
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was designed to work. I think alternatives involve essentially |
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'protesting'. E.g. I could propose the council discuss this topic at every |
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meeting. I could try to use my developer-ship to force extra council |
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meetings (emergency meetings perhaps.) I could collect signatures. I'm |
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still not convinced these things would be vehicles for change though. |
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[1] There is of course the risk that this doesn't come about, either |
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because the same council is re-elected or because the new council chooses |
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not to repeal. But I accept this risk willingly. |
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> Eray |
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