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On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 11:08 +0200, Patrick Lauer wrote: |
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> On 06/29/11 03:07, Olivier Crête wrote: |
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> > Hi, |
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> > |
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> > On Tue, 2011-06-28 at 17:10 -0500, William Hubbs wrote: |
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> >> The background is that /etc/init.d/functions.sh is a link to |
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> >> /lib/rc/functions.sh, which is part of openrc. |
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> >> |
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> >> Other init systems, like systemd, are coming along which completely |
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> >> replace sysvinit and do not use openrc's init scripts at all. However, |
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> >> since things other than init scripts are using /etc/init.d/functions.sh, |
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> >> all gentoo users are forced to have openrc on their systems whether they |
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> >> use its init scripts or not. |
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> >> |
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> >> As you can see in the bug, I am working on creating a |
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> >> minimalist version of openrc that can be installed to allow users to |
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> >> have access to the functions that are in functions.sh regardless of |
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> >> whether or not they are using openrc's init system. |
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> >> |
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> >> I'm not convinced that this is the best approach, so any input would be |
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> >> greatly appreciated. |
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> > |
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> > As long as we have Gentoo-style init scripts in the tree, we will need |
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> > these functions to be available. So yes, they should probably be in a |
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> > separate package from openrc itself to ease the transition to the bright |
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> > systemd future. |
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> > |
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> We tolerate the systemd madness as long as it doesn't interfere with |
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> other things. |
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> |
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> But as OpenRC has some rare features ("being able to start and stop |
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> stuff" and "being reasonably fast" among them) and there's no |
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> replacement at the moment I see no reason to add a convoluted mess of |
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> insanity just to feel good. |
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I think you're missing how systemd is above and beyond OpenRC (and all |
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other init systems). It has stuff like using cgroups to guarantee that |
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all the processes associated with a service have stopped (openrc doesn't |
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do that), it provides very fast boot (openrc doesn't do that), it can |
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activate services on demand (openrc doesn't do that), etc.. |
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And you also underestimate the amount of momentum that Lennart has |
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managed to amass behind systemd. I expect that much sooner than you |
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think, we won't have a choice but to switch to systemd as many core |
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components will start depending on it. |
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-- |
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Olivier Crête |
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tester@g.o |
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Gentoo Developer |
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