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W dniu nie, 20.08.2017 o godzinie 00∶39 -0500, użytkownik R0b0t1 |
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> On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 6:34 AM, Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera |
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> (klondike) <klondike@g.o> wrote: |
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> > El 19/08/17 a las 13:18, Aaron W. Swenson escribió: |
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> > > On 2017-08-19 13:01, Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike) wrote: |
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> > > > El 19/08/17 a las 12:37, Aaron W. Swenson escribió: |
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> > > > > On 2017-08-15 17:01, Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike) wrote: |
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> > > > > > Hi! |
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> > > > > > |
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> > > > > > I'd like to get this one up by Saturday so that we can proceed with |
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> > > > > > masking and removing of the hardened-sources after upstream stopped |
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> > > > > > releasing new patches. |
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> > > > > |
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> > > > > I hope I’m not too late. |
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> > > > > |
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> > > > > > We'd like to note that all the userspace hardening and MAC support |
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> > > > > > for SELinux provided by Gentoo Hardened will still remain there and |
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> > > > > > is unaffected by this removal. |
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> > > > > |
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> > > > > Where is there? I think you’re talking about the packages, but the news |
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> > > > > item is about the kernels. It would help to be more specific here. |
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> > > > > |
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> > > > > That’s all I had that the others hadn’t touched on. |
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> > > > |
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> > > > Do you think something like that is better then? |
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> > > > |
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> > > > We'd like to note that all the userspace hardening and MAC support |
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> > > > for SELinux provided by Gentoo Hardened will still remain available |
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> > > > on the portage. Keep in mind though that the security provided by |
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> > > > these features will be weakened a bit when using |
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> > > > sys-kernel/gentoo-sources. Also, all PaX related packages other than |
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> > > > the hardened-sources will remain available for the time being. |
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> > > > |
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> > > > |
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> > > Much better. We should mention that we’re specifically discussing |
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> > > packages and not portage itself. At least, that’s my understanding from |
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> > > your edit. |
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> > > |
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> > > Here’s my take on it: |
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> > > |
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> > > We'd like to note that all the userspace hardening and MAC support for |
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> > > SELinux provided by Gentoo Hardened will still remain in the packages |
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> > > found in portage. Keep in mind, though, that the security provided by |
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> > > these features will be weakened a bit when using |
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> > > sys-kernel/gentoo-sources. Also, all PaX related packages, except |
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> > > sys-kernel/hardened-sources, will remain available for the time being. |
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> > |
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> > I updated the news item with your propossal. Thanks a lot :) |
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> > |
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> The discussion is nice but no one has actually touched on the |
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> technical merits of removing the packages besides "they are old." |
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> There's plenty of old software in portage. Why not remove it first? |
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Please select some, and I'll be happy to treeclean it ASAP. |
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> I had a similar issue with the GCC developer who removed GCJ support. |
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> I asked him for any justification at all for the removal and he had |
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> none but some vague statements about it creating work. I would have |
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> taken any more specific example he gave at face value, but he didn't |
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> want to give one. I was left to conclude he didn't have one to give. |
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> So I ask again: On what basis are the hardened sources being removed |
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> from the tree? |
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Old kernel versions are a natural vulnerability targets. Even if they |
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are not vulnerable at the moment, they surely will be soon enough. |
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> At this point I am far less interested in making sure the sources stay |
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> in the tree than I am in forcing you to justify your actions, because |
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> I suspect your attempt to do so will be entertaining. |
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This is called inappropriate behavior and in a civilized distribution it |
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should result in disciplinary action. However, that's just my opinion |
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and I'm free to express it just as you are free to express yours. |
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Best regards, |
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Michał Górny |