Re: [gentoo-dev] Java 9 on Gentoo

[R0b0t1]

Hello friends!

I am excited about Java 9. However, I am a very excitable person.

Hopefully this is not a tangent, but the OpenJDK release is available
on Ubuntu. I have tried to understand the IcedTea build process and
failed, as I was hoping that it could be packaged for Gentoo before
the official IcedTea release. I was not able to find a timeline from
the OpenJDK project.

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 10:41 PM, William L. Thomson Jr.
<wlt-ml@××××××.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 21:42:59 -0600
> Matthew Thode <prometheanfire@g.o> wrote:
>>
>> You seem to know a bit about this, has there been a bug made outlining
>> the troubles we will encounter as you know them?
>
> No, I feel I am already doing more than I should to help given my past
> treatment. I have been making most issues with potential resolutions
> know in #gentoo-java for the past ~48 hours. I have been spending
> most time fixing stuff in my overlay. As I have been for over a year.
> https://github.com/Obsidian-StudiosInc/os-xtoo
>

You focus on Oracle's Java?

>>  It's nice to have a warning, but sounding alarmist without concrete
>> help doesn't actually help all that much.
>
> People have been asking in #gentoo-java about Java 9. I was simply
> letting everyone know it would be some time before that is likely to be
> the case. That alone was a courtesy to others.
>
> It does not take much to find out there are considerable issues with
> Java 9 from most any web search. For anyone who cares, most do not.
> Thus the present state of Java on Gentoo. Which I have brought up many
> times over the past years. A new major version taking some time should
> not be of surprise to anyone given that fact.
>

The Oracle binaries seem to work well for me and I have experienced no
issues. Notably, Scala works transparently on the Oracle JDK 9. What
kind of issues are you seeing? The biggest issue I have had is that
some version tests do not parse "9" the same way as "1.8.0_152".

Adding Java 9 to the tree would help users who are interested
experiment with the language. As part of the first work on Python 3.5
(very minor) I installed it on my system but did not add it to
PYTHON_TARGETS. Is there an equivalent for Java?

> If you recall I got banned from Github over commenting on Java 9 early
> access PR. I have also commented on another since.
> https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/pull/1721
> https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/pull/6033
>
> You can see the history of jdk 9 I put in my overlay almost a year ago.
> That could have been in Gentoo. I maintained EA builds till release...
> Dec 5, 2016
> https://github.com/Obsidian-StudiosInc/os-xtoo/commit/f90d8b21c39dbe8684e0951b845c43fae2ba6cfc#diff-0ecef02a46ed32d29b482614d71d229f
> https://github.com/Obsidian-StudiosInc/os-xtoo/commits/master/dev-java/oracle-jdk-bin
>

That looks promising, thank you.

> I have done all I can. This is the visible result of blocking people,
> with no one else wiling to do the work. I am playing catch up now.
>

I have read the bug discussing your retirement. It is not possible for
me to ascertain what led to disciplinary action. The lack of concrete
discussion on behavior to be addressed reflects poorly on those who
sought disciplinary action.

However, I am not a very smart man. I am usually wrong. Hopefully
someone who is much more intelligent than I can explain how I have
erred in my opinion.

Respectfully,
     R0b0t1.