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From: Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 01:08:25
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! by Richard Yao
1 On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Richard Yao <ryao@×××××××××××××.edu> wrote:
2 >
3 > I proposed a way that this could work with no effort on the part of the
4 > Gentoo developers in one of my earlier emails:
5 >
7 Then go ahead and make it happen. If as you say no dev participation
8 is needed there is nothing Gentoo needs to do to support this.
10 On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Greg KH <gregkh@g.o> wrote:
11 >
12 > We aren't Debian here people, we don't support "everything" :)
13 >
14 > If you want to support both, great, feel free to step up and do the
15 > work.
16 >
18 Gentoo is about choice, but it is largely about the choices that
19 people are willing to step up and maintain.
21 A few months ago there was a big thread and lots of devs said that
22 systemd isn't supported on Gentoo. Some devs stepped up and decided
23 to maintain it and now I'd say systemd is about as supported on Gentoo
24 as Prefix, FreeBSD, Sparc, or MIPS. That didn't happen because of
25 mailing list persuasion - it happened because a few people interested
26 in making it happen wrote a bunch of ebuilds. How do systemd units
27 end up in various packages? The people interested in seeing them
28 write good-quality patches and submit bugs, or otherwise work with the
29 maintainers to commit them.
31 For those who don't like the current direction, by all means create an
32 overlay called udev-root, mdev-boot, noinitramfs, or whatever. You
33 don't need anybody's permission to do it - just go on github and make
34 it happen. Write some good code. There are several devs here who
35 might even help you out with it, and nobody here is going to object to
36 packages going into the main tree as long as they're maintained in
37 accordance with Gentoo QA. Create some USE flags where you need
38 tie-ins to other system packages and as long as everything behaves
39 nicely and patches are good and maintained, I'm sure the package
40 maintainers will accept them.
42 Gentoo already gives its users a lot of choice, but it can only offer
43 the choices that people are willing to maintain. Right now I see a
44 lot of complaining and not a lot of maintaining. When I see a package
45 lastrited I don't moan about it - I either sigh or sign up to maintain
46 it. By all means make suggestions to improve the transition or write
47 docs, but simply posting on this list isn't likely to change the
48 direction the linux winds are blowing. The forces involved are much
49 larger than Gentoo.
51 Rich


Subject Author
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! Zac Medico <zmedico@g.o>
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! Richard Yao <ryao@×××××××××××××.edu>
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! "Canek Peláez Valdés" <caneko@×××××.com>