Re: [gentoo-dev] Empty project: LXDE

[james]

On 08/10/2016 01:46 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> El mié, 10-08-2016 a las 07:12 -0500, james escribió:
>> On 08/10/2016 12:46 AM, Raymond Jennings wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey, just a heads up as a user.  I'm currently using LXDE.

+_1
(correctly located).

>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 1:22 AM, Pacho Ramos <pacho@g.o
>>> <mailto:pacho@g.o>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Now https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:LXDE
>>>     <https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:LXDE> is empty
>>>
>>>     Feel free to join, anyway, if I don't misremember, LXDE is dead
>>> for a
>>>     long time in favor of LXQT... in that case treecleaning the
>>> packages
>>>     would also be an option
>>>
>>>     Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>
>> me too. I have it

LXDE, that is, and I like it very much.

 >> on several (older) systems. Hopefully there will be a
>> news item, when the time comes, with instructions on migration to
>> lxqt or a listing of other light weight replacement options, with a
>> wee  bit of migration detail....
>>
>>
>> hth,
>> James
>>
>
> What is needed apart of emerging the new desktop and starting to use
> it?

Changes in config files? Has this been tested? Surely folks have a 
myriad of setups with lxde and those do not automagically migrate to 
lxqt, or do they?  If/when lxde goes away are there other similar 
choices in lieu of lxqt ? The reason I say this, is the lxde installs I 
have done (all 3) have had extensive hacking to get things to work. But 
once that was done, they (lxde setups) require little to nothing, which 
strongly appeals to me. Hack it once and done.

For example on usb, I gave up and just installed udevil. Most DE users 
expect usb usage to be ubiquitous. I know I did before I ever installed 
lxde. likewise dvd burning, particularly double sided medias. Others 
have different solutions. Terminal windows. I spent days reading and 
hacking to get a Kludge I like. I have not had the time to migrate 
things to lxqt, despite tinkering around with it. The next system I 
install, will go direct to lxqt. I left KDE for many bloated reasons. I 
sure hope lxqt is light weight, easy to setup and config and stable.
I have a deep disdain for DEs that require adming work. I want to do my 
admin and dev work on clusters, not the rendering/command/control system
know as a workstation.

To me, the entirety of KDE should be replaced with aggressive and 
ubiquitious clusters, where any mixture of codes, kde included can be 
run. KDE is an OS, and a bloated one at that, that imposes itself on my 
DE. I want no part of the KDE vision, nor any other DE that does more 
than provide a fast environment to display apps. There is a growing 
crowd of folks that like minimal DE environments, imho. Advances should 
be in the cluster or a single local server, imho. So, actually, I'd like 
to keep lxde into perpetuity and it'd be perfect to train folks for 
proxy-maint, imho. Safe, stable, extraordinarily useful and not critical 
to anything in the core system. Folks do not have use it.
Old, stable codes are worth their weight in gold, but we must be trendy, 
right? So we need to removed lxde, right?


I mean thing about it from a different prospective. I have a vintage 
car, not being maintained any more by the manufacturer. It's worthless 
now, right? Let's just toss it away so nobody can use it or maintain it 
right. Turns out old vintige cars are worth a bloody fortune now days.
Who is to say in 20 or 30 years, these old code will not be worth 
extreme value to folks? It costs nothing to just park the codes and 
ignore them. Mark lxde as you like and move it to an overlay and let it 
sit idle, if you have to clean the tree, that's my wisdom on the matter.

My (college aged kids) get down boxes of old electronic toys to play 
with every christmas. It's a blast and friend of all ages enjoy this one 
a year treat too. Whos to say and old DE might not be the same
experience one day?


But, I suspect you are implying the correct answer is "Nothing". I'm 
just saying if/when lxde goes away or a news item first comes out and 
encourages lxde folks to migrate  to lxqt, then some detail as to the 
situation and easy migration steps, shows a kinder  and gentler Gentoo. 
I think that's this is one of the proxy-maint exit test questions; when 
is a News item is warranted. So this is  my opinion, particular if an 
update removes lxde and installs lxqt; a news item is then definitely 
warranted.

I'm not against keeping lxde around, at all. But from the last year of
experiences with tree cleaning it is more of a religious agenda than 
removing what has to be removed. I know, I have dozens of old codes 
sitting quite peacefully in /usr/local.... and working just fine.

But I do not enjoy the pressures of being a gentoo dev, so do what you 
have to do; news items are great. ymmv. I recommend that you convert 
your (gentoo dev) burdens into a peaceful pleasure as you see fit.

Now if you are asking what's broken with news items, then I have an 
idea, so they do not have to be avoided. Require all news items to be
very short. A sentence or 2 and more than 50 words. Also they should 
have a link to the longer answers and details. That would make 2/3 news 
items per day, pretty cool, ymmv. An additional benefit, is that those 
linked documents can be annotated more than once and edited until near 
perfection (think back to the ncurses debacle.... thank goodness for 
vapier. I spent a week stabalizing almost a dozen (gentoo) systems on 
that ncurses nightmare and there should have been one place to read 
(concurrently) what went wrong and what to do. On gentoo-user, there was 
much more zagging than zigging...... (granted to others it was no big deal).


OK? I'm happy with whatever you decide to do.

TIA,
James