Gentoo Archives: gentoo-dev

From: Richard Freeman <rich@××××××××××××××.net>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: modifications to GLEP42
Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 01:23:37
Message-Id: 463D2D01.3040104@thefreemanclan.net
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: modifications to GLEP42 by Ciaran McCreesh
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4 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
5 > On Sun, 6 May 2007 00:25:20 +0200
6 > expose@×××××××××××.net wrote:
7 >> It is critical if your filesystem might be damaged, if there are
8 >> security issues of any kind, or if something stops working.
9 >
10 > It is critical if it requires manual action by many or the majority of
11 > targetted users.
12 >
13
14 I might offer a primarily-end-user perspective.
15
16 First - the ELOG feature added a few months back (allowing emailing of
17 notices/etc) is GREAT! Now I can track read/unread using my email
18 software, which is clearly suited to such purposes.
19
20 I think that this mechanism is ideal for most notices. However, maybe I
21 can suggest a few categories that need advance warning:
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23 1. Cases where upgrading a major dependency requires revdep-rebuild.
24 For example, if my glibc upgrade borks half the system until I recompile
25 3/4ths of it I'd like to know about that BEFORE installing it.
26
27 2. Updates to server-oriented software (sendmail/ postfix/ apache/
28 mysql/ postgres/ mythtv/ etc) that require significant manual tweaks.
29 People running this kind of software generally don't want unexpected
30 downtime, even in situations that don't demand test environments.
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32 3. Updates of any kind that could prevent booting or network access if
33 mishandled. You don't want users leaving their systems in an unbootable
34 state for more than a few minutes, or in a state where it is hard to get
35 to online info.
36
37 4. Anything security-related that requires advance warning. Honestly,
38 I couldn't think of an example of this. If a package leaves the system
39 insecure by default that would qualify, but I doubt anybody would design
40 such a package in the first place.
41
42 I think that what is really needed are guidelines. No user is going to
43 complain about getting 14 news items when they should have gotten 13.
44 On the other hand, if they get 100 instead of 5 that would be an issue.
45 As long as we don't go hog-wild I'd think that any issues would be
46 easily addressed with time. Right now I think users would appreciate
47 advance notice about some things that have caused major headaches in the
48 past (ABI breaks/etc).
49
50 I think the priority setting idea was a good one - even if people argue
51 over whether something is a 3 or a 4 on the 1-5 scale, at least we know
52 the difference between a 1 and a 5. And I'd like to think that devs
53 have better things to do than nitpick each other's ebuilds over things
54 like that... :)
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