Re: [gentoo-dev] AMD64 Arch Testers needed urgently

[R0b0t1]

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 7:25 PM, M. J. Everitt <m.j.everitt@×××.org> wrote:
> On 15/12/17 01:17, R0b0t1 wrote (excerpted):
>> I'm not trying to be confrontational, but asserting an opinion is
>> correct without explaining why that it is so isn't really conducive to
>> arriving at the truth. I understand not wanting to answer if I am
>> completely clueless, and would like to apologize in advance for
>> bothering the developers.
>>
>> I am not very smart, sir.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>      R0b0t1
>>
> With all due respect, Gentoo is not renowned for spoon-feeding ...
>

That is exactly right, sir! I am trying my best to not impose on the
goodwill of the mailing list participants. At the same time, I feel
like I could understand an explanation if one was offered. If any
person's judgement suggests otherwise, however, surely they are
correct and no time should be wasted on such a person as myself.

> Returning to the topic in hand, two key points strike out at me:-
>
> 1) Gentoo isn't really interested in having a 'stable' tree or it would
> already be happening. As such, why not cut the Gordian knot, declare
> that this is not something that will happen [soon] and let users make
> their own choices. The [majority of] developers already seem to have ...
>

This is one of the valid conclusions, especially if the criteria for
stable packages are not changed.

> 2) Whilst there has yet another fine bike-shed emerged on the subject, I
> have only seen one volunteer willing or capable to actually take on
> implementation of anything that has been discussed on this thread. As
> such, you can talk all you like .. nothing will happen until somebody
> actually *does* something .. For all the hating, I will duly credit
> mgorny for producing a consistent quantity of commits across the board
> in Gentoo, and whilst you may not agree with all his bitching (for want
> of a better term) at least he can stand and say "well at least I did
> *something* about it, whether You like it or not ...".
>
> Damnit, there's another $2 from me .. my apologies.
>

I did some initial work trying to fix issues with erlang and rebar,
but I was unable to duplicate the errors due to how tinderboxes work.
A buildbot may not be any more repeatable depending on how it is set
up. Before any work is done I think the problem could be better
characterized, but then you have another long mailing list discussion
that people may or may not be willing to read. People want to do
something, not think about doing something.

In a lot of times that is the better option, even. But not always.

Cheers,
     R0b0t1