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On 27 July 2012 16:06, Dan Douglas <ormaaj@×××××.com> wrote: |
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> On Friday, July 27, 2012 09:08:36 AM Ulrich Mueller wrote: |
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>> >>>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2012, Ben de Groot wrote: |
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>> |
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>> > I understand why the council rejected Debian's C.UTF-8 option, |
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>> > but is there really no better default that we can use? |
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>> > Without any default locale set, in practically all cases that means |
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>> > that the user is presented with English, and mostly the American |
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>> > variant. So, in practice, we are defaulting to en_US, just not in a |
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>> > unicode environment. Correct me if I'm wrong. |
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>> |
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>> See below. We're not defaulting to en_US for things like the number |
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>> format. |
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>> |
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>> > Also, in most other places (such as our website, GLEPs, ebuilds) |
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>> > we default to en_US.UTF-8. |
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>> |
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>> > So let's upgrade to en_US.UTF-8, which is for most users more |
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>> > desirable than the current situation. Of course we will still advise |
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>> > them to set their desired locales in /etc/locale.gen. But at least |
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>> > they will start with a unicode environment, as expected anno 2012. |
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>> |
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>> As I had pointed out before [1], changing from POSIX to an en_US |
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>> locale will have undesirable side effects, like commas as thousands |
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>> separators in numbers (because of LC_NUMERIC). Also the defaults of |
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>> en_US for LC_MEASUREMENT and LC_PAPER are only useful in the U.S. |
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>> |
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>> So if we change the default (but I still don't see the need), we |
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>> should go for a less intrusive setting like: |
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>> |
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>> LANG="POSIX" |
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>> LC_CTYPE="en_US.utf8" |
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>> |
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>> Ulrich |
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>> |
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> |
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> You're concerned about the commas breaking things? Given that you usually need |
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> to specifically ask for them (i.e., printf ' flag), and that kind of output is |
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> usually going to be for human consumption only that seems unlikely. If |
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> anything does rely upon the format, can't tolerate different locales, and fails |
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> to specify LC_NUMERIC then it's broken anyway. |
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> |
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> LC_MONETARY / LC_MEASUREMENT as en_US are probably slightly more annoying |
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> defaults for some people. What do users of other distros think? Is this really |
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> a serious problem for anyone? |
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> |
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> LC_CTYPE=en_US.utf8 would be a bare minimum. The important bit is getting utf8 |
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> by default. I can live with LANG=POSIX. |
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> -- |
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> Dan Douglas |
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How about the below? |
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LANG=en_GB.utf8 |
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LC_COLLATE=C |
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LC_CTYPE=en_GB.utf8 |
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That will give us A4 paper size and the metric system. If LC_NUMERIC is |
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really a problem, we can set it to something more desirable. |
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-- |
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Cheers, |
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Ben | yngwin |
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Gentoo developer |
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Gentoo Qt project lead, Gentoo Wiki admin |
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