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Don't attempt to ignore the complexity because it sucks and gives you a |
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headache. The complexity of multiple kernels, userlands, arches and |
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platforms exists whether you like it or not. The key being the |
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management of the complexity. Currently the tools perform poorly |
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because it's been primarly GNU userland + Linux kernel + random arches. |
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The first two are easy to take care of and the third has arch teams. |
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Thus we probably need more keywords ( x86-fbsd-bsd...etc it's been said |
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before ) and we need more people to keyword stuff ( arch-kernel-userland |
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). I think the big issue is to adapt to the new requirements without |
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making the current tools an overpatched mess. |
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Part of the issue I see is everyone is only focused on their little |
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problem. X, Y or Z that I need is broken and I need fix foo; it's |
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talked about on IRC, it seems to work, it's implemented. Then a week |
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later someone who wasn't on at time of discussion notes that it broke |
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something and and now needs to be 'fixed'. I think Flameeyes has done |
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a pretty good job keeping everyone informed of Gentoo/fbsd's needs and |
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offering pretty good solutions on how to fix them in a general way. I |
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think part of the problem is that this doesn't happen often enough and |
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we end up with a bunch of hacks that need to be integrated together. |
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- -Alec Warner |
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Ajec |
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Dan Meltzer wrote: |
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>Well it would be nice to have it all abstracted, wouldn't stablizing a |
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>package get exponetially harder? Not only would each arch need to be |
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>tested, each combination of packages on each arch would need to be |
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>tested, if FEX openpam became usable on linux instead of just |
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>linuxpam, each arch that stableized would now need to say works for |
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>this arch for linuxpam, and works for this arch for openpam, which |
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>would cause lots and lots of keywords mess. |
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>Or am I misunderstanding your post? |
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>On 6/16/05, Luca Barbato <lu_zero@g.o> wrote: |
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>>Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: |
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>>>Let me explain: on Gentoo/Linux systems, all the base utilities |
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(make, tar, |
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>>>sed, etc etc) are GNUish; on Gentoo/FreeBSD they are BSDish; on |
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Gentoo/Darwin |
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>>>I don't really know :P |
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>>>This limits a bit the user because to use other kind of utilities it |
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must use |
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>>>aliases and he can't change, for example, the tar used by portage or |
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>>>scripts. |
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>>Surely it would be interesting for developer that want to make sure |
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>>their code will build in other userspaces w/out switching os, |
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>>and if that won't be so painful, would worth testing it. |
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>>Obviously having it now isn't really needed. Thinking about that when |
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>>committing/updating ebuild would be good. |
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>>( still I do hate bsd core utils implementations but that is just my |
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>>opinion =) ) |
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>>lu |
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>>Luca Barbato |
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>>Gentoo/linux Developer Gentoo/PPC Operational Leader |
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>>http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero |
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